Advice for friend for TBOL only cycle

[Daredevil]

A friend of mine wants to start using AAS and has been working out for about 3-4 years. He's 30, probably at 15% body fat at 190Lbs.

He's afraid of needles and asked me for advice.

I was considering telling him to try Turinabol for 8 weeks at 40mG a day. I've never use Tbol but from what I read in the past it seems that might be a oral that he can use by itself.

As far as PCT, I blast and cruise and don't keep up with any pct measure.

What would you all recommend? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

 

[Skunx]

I have an opinion here, but no experience personally so take it doe what it is...

Anything anabolic/androgenic will shut you down eventually, at least to some degree if not completely. I would tell him if he isn't ready for needles, he isn't ready for aas. The only other scenario I could think that would potentially work would be androgel and an oral. Always a pct would be needed.. I blast and cruise as well, so pct isn't my fortay either.

 

[Daredevil]

I know tbol would shut him down and he knows that. So pct would be a must. As far as would 40-50mg a day be enough for a first timer?

Or would another oral work better? He's trying to cut.

I think eventually he would use needles but not anytime soon.

I've already explained why pinning is better than orals only as far as liver toxicity.

 

[Skunx]

But if your shut down you are going to feel absolutely horrible. No testosterone is a bad place to be In! I've came off for a month and a month and a half, no thanks man! Haha.

Again, I am on trt, so this is hypothetically speaking, but I can't imagine keeping much if any of your gains after a testosterone less cycle. I can't even really see how you would gain very much once your test levels plummet to zero. Know what I mean?

I've heard of people doing dbol only cycles quite a bit. They always blow up with water then lose it all. I can't see tbol doing much. Who knows though. Personally speaking I run tbol very high, and my size gain is minimal. Tbol for me is a great hardener and it makes me super vascular.

I would steer him towards andro-gel with it. Shoot man, maybe even blasting hcg. Sorry I don't have more experience here to offer, just thoughts...

 

[jshredz]

I say let him him run his oral only cycle.
There's not much you can say that's going to convince him otherwise.
If he plans to runs straight thru I say have him run Anavar. Then he can start PCT a few days after his last pill.
Another option is have him run his orals 2 weeks 2 weeks off, repeat. He can run anavar and tbol like this also but the doses would be higher.
I've actually had a few guys run this way with success.

 

[tkasch30]

If it were my friend I'd just call him a pussy until he grew a pair of balls and used a needle... Lol. And tell him orals suck anyways

 

[erikgearhead]

A friend of mine wants to start using AAS and has been working out for about 3-4 years. He's 30, probably at 15% body fat at 190Lbs.

He's afraid of needles and asked me for advice.

I was considering telling him to try Turinabol for 8 weeks at 40mG a day. I've never use Tbol but from what I read in the past it seems that might be a oral that he can use by itself.

As far as PCT, I blast and cruise and don't keep up with any pct measure.

What would you all recommend? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

My advice: Don't suggest an oral cycle for him.

If he can stomach a pin once every week or two, buy him a bottle of my testosterone undecanoate 250mg/mL and give him a shot as he needs it. On top of that, if he wants to cut, I'd suggest Anavar.

 

[erikgearhead]

A friend of mine wants to start using AAS and has been working out for about 3-4 years. He's 30, probably at 15% body fat at 190Lbs.

He's afraid of needles and asked me for advice.

I was considering telling him to try Turinabol for 8 weeks at 40mG a day. I've never use Tbol but from what I read in the past it seems that might be a oral that he can use by itself.

As far as PCT, I blast and cruise and don't keep up with any pct measure.

What would you all recommend? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

On second thought, this could work...

He could try 25mg Aromasin twice daily, and clomid 25mg twice daily. That MIGHT keep his test levels normal, while using an oral...and actually prevent shutdown

 

[krustus]

years ago i did some superdrol only and M1T only cycles.... i was fucked up for months...lol.. shut down hard after 4-6 weeks of use and felt like it took 3 months or more to bounce back. so sexually life sucked for quite a while... but i did get results... gain muscle and strength both times... was it worth the trade... lol.. no... i would do test at least for the sexual function.

but i'm with shredz...tell him what to expect and if he wants to go tbol only ..let him try it

 

[tkasch30]

On second thought, this could work...

He could try 25mg Aromasin twice daily, and clomid 25mg twice daily. That MIGHT keep his test levels normal, while using an oral...and actually prevent shutdown

50mg of aromasin a day???

 

[jshredz]

50mg of aromasin a day???

He's suggesting this because aromasin might even raise his test.

 

[LittleTom]

I think you could run a T-bol cycle and be fine. 8 weeks at 40-50 mgs. I would not run an AI with a t-bol only cycle. After his last day start a pct of whatever he likes and bounce himself back. Will he get shut down, yes. Harder to keep gains, probably. It will work and T-bol is mild enough to do this with. This is not a harsh oral. He should see some nice results. Why do people lose their gains... because at a certain point unless your blasting and cruising its just gonna happen. It really does not matter if you get your natural test levels back to normal, its by increasing test levels or receptors that we get big. You can maintain some untill your next cycle but doing a cycle and then going natty for a long time just does not work. You can not stay big forever unless you keep going.

Before I started pinning I used Pro-hormones and this would have been a great beginner cycle.

 

[Daredevil]

Thanks for all the responses. I'm going to try talking him into doing some test at least 1-2 shots a week.

But If he took the androgel route, which source has androgel or dermal patches?

 

[Skunx]

I'm not sure if anyone sells it on here. If you can't find it here hit me up, I know a source for it.

 

[LittleTom]

I've heard some horror stories with andro gel. Not sure if your friend has a wife or kids but of course you have to be careful to not come in contact with them. Plus the fact it's real hard to tell how much you have in your system and then combat it with an AI (I guess it's hard to tell how much of an UGLS test you have in your system....) however, I'd skip it. IMO

 

[tkasch30]

I would just tell,him man up and use a needle or I'm not helping you. Oral only cycle will do,nothing good

 

[Jinko]

years ago i did some superdrol only and M1T only cycles.... i was fucked up for months...lol.. shut down hard after 4-6 weeks of use and felt like it took 3 months or more to bounce back. so sexually life sucked for quite a while... but i did get results... gain muscle and strength both times... was it worth the trade... lol.. no... i would do test at least for the sexual function.

but i'm with shredz...tell him what to expect and if he wants to go tbol only ..let him try it

As hot as your wife is and you couldn't do it??? Damn that must have really shut you down.

 

[misterB]

i did an oral only cycle when I was 25, we didn't know shit or have the Internet then . I did Anadrol 50 for 100 days. I was strong as hell and when i stopped I didn't know about PCT and believe one of my nuts never came back, by 36 i was on TRT with a natural level of 280

 

[lith56bigguy]

You all have valid points. I just cant support the act of the t-bol only cycle. I know guys that lived on d bol alone however knowing what we know and the importance of test, I can't even say have at it. IF a buddy of mine asked to do it and for help with it I would refuse. MY comments would be if he's going to do it, he's going to do it right