Anyone subq for cruising?

[slinsane]

So I have been reading alot in regards to subq deca and test to cruise, anyone do this. What has been your experience?

 

[misterB]

ive done it a few times, I didn't notice any negatives, never got welts or lumps, have used various brands of test, nothing else other than hcg for subq. just one more spot to rotate to , supposedly you can use less but frequency may increase .

 

[GRIM]

Tried it don't like it myself

 

[pulooooooo]

I have tried it, but for me I felt slight pain. I'm don't get any pip

 

[mig139]

You don't need to inject IM?

 

[Sleeper]

Did not like it. Have no problems with sub-q injections of other kinds (HGH, melanotan, HCG etc). But the sub-q injection sites with oil felt bruised for 3-4days after. Having said that, my brother loves it. He has been doing it EOD (150/wk) for a year and a half and doesn't have any problems.

 

[GRIM]

You don't need to inject IM?

mig139 you should but subq will soak into the muscle if placed right.

Slower absorption from my understanding.

 

[mig139]

Damn, I didn't know! What's the right way?! I use quads and delts, this will make things easier!

 

[GRIM]

Damn, I didn't know! What's the right way?! I use quads and delts, this will make things easier!

mig139
Well by right I mean not leaking down leg for example

 

[morrey]

Cruising? Whats that? I just blast lol

No I prefer IM. I get lumps with Sub Q

 

[Hanzo]

No. If it's not peptides, then the deeper the better.

 

[tkasch30]

No. If it's not peptides, then the deeper the better.

Hanzo
yeah, why are people always asking if they can do subQ?? i dont get it... lol

 

[slinsane]

I thought some might find these studies interesting.

STUDY 1

Saudi Med J. 2006 Dec;27(12):1843-6.

Subcutaneous administration of testosterone. A pilot study report.

Al-Futaisi AM, Al-Zakwani IS, Almahrezi AM, Morris D.
Department of Medicine, College of Medicine & Health Sciences, Sultan Qaboos University, Muscat, Oman. alfutaisi@squ.edu.om

Abstract

OBJECTIVE: To investigate the effect of low doses of subcutaneous testosterone in hypogonadal men since the intramuscular route, which is the most widely used form of testosterone replacement therapy, is inconvenient to many patients.

METHODS: All men with primary and secondary hypogonadism attending the reproductive endocrine clinic at Royal Victoria Hospital, Monteral, Quebec, Canada, were invited to participate in the study. Subjects were enrolled from January 2002 till December 2002. Patients were asked to self-administer weekly low doses of testosterone enanthate using 0.5 ml insulin syringe.

RESULTS: A total of 22 patients were enrolled in the study. The mean trough was 14.48 +/- 3.14 nmol/L and peak total testosterone was 21.65 +/- 7.32 nmol/L. For the free testosterone the average trough was 59.94 +/- 20.60 pmol/L and the peak was 85.17 +/- 32.88 pmol/L. All of the patients delivered testosterone with ease and no local reactions were reported.

CONCLUSION: Therapy with weekly subcutaneous testosterone produced serum levels that were within the normal range in 100% of patients for both peak and trough levels. This is the first report, which demonstrated the efficacy of delivering weekly testosterone using this cheap, safe, and less painful subcutaneous route.

PMID: 17143361 [PubMed – indexed for MEDLINE]



STUDY 2:

STABLE TESTOSTERONE LEVELS ACHIEVED WITH SUBCUTANEOUS TESTOSTERONE INJECTIONS

M.B. Greenspan, C.M. Chang
Division of Urology, Department of Surgery, McMaster University,
Hamilton, ON, Canada

Objectives: The preferred technique of androgen replacement has been intramuscular (IM) testosterone, but wide variations in testosterone levels are often seen. Subcutaneous (SC) testosterone injection is a novel approach; however, its physiological effects are unclear. We therefore investigated the sustainability of stable testosterone levels using SC therapy. Patients and methods: Between May and September 2005, we conducted a small pilot study involving 10 male patients with symptomatic late-onset hypogonadism.

Every patient had been stable on TE 200 mg IM for 1 year. Patients were instructed to self-inject with testosterone enanthate (TE) 100 mg SC (DELATESTRYL 200 mg/cc, Theramed Corp, Canada) into the anterior abdomen once weekly. Some patients were down-titrated to 50 mg based on their total testosterone (T) at 4 weeks.

Informed consent was obtained as SC testosterone administration is not officially approved by Health Canada. T levels were measured before and 24 hours after injection during weeks 1, 2, 3, and 4, and 96 hours after injection in week 6 and 8.

At week 12, PSA, CBC, and T levels were measured however; the week 12 data are still being collected.

Results: Prior to initiation of SC therapy, T was 19.14+3.48 nmol/l, hemoglobin 15.8+1.3 g/dl, hematocrit 0.47+0.02, and PSA 1.05+0.65 ng/ml. During the first 4 weeks, there was a steady increase in pre-injection T from 19.14+3.48 to 23.89+9.15 nmol/l (p¼0.1). However, after 8 weeks the post-injection T (25.77+7.67 nmol/l) remained similar to that of week 1 (27.46+12.91 nmol/l). Patients tolerated this therapy with no adverse effects.

Conclusions: A once-week SC injection of 50-100 mg of TE appears to achieve sustainable and stable levels of physiological T. This technique offers fewer physician visits and the use of smaller quantity of medication, thus lower costs. However, the long term clinical and physiological effects of this therapy need further evaluation.

 

[tkasch30]

the last line here is what i like...lol

OBJECTIVE: To investigate the effect of low doses of subcutaneous testosterone in hypogonadal men since the intramuscular route, which is the most widely used form of testosterone replacement therapy, is inconvenient to many patients which means that they are really just scared of needles

 

[krustus]

sub q would be a much easier method... more sites that are easy to reach and do yourself... less chance of hitting nerves or viens...

how would you do it though.... push like hell through a slin pin? or 25g needle?

good video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n98LOFQwUGA

 

[jshredz]

yeah, why are people always asking if they can do subQ?? i dont get it... lol

tkasch30
This is only meant to be done with smaller volumes like for example 0.5cc of TE.

 

[slinsane]

Either way I find it interesting. If you are starting to build up scar tissue I thought about doing half IM with a larger volume and a smaller amount daily instead of three IM a week.

 

[Amozoc]

Now i am cruising and i do my cycles whit insulin syringes i pin 0.5 or 0. 8 ml two times everyday for cycle 8 weeks its woks great for me and keep my levels stable

 

[Hanzo]

sub q would be a much easier method... more sites that are easy to reach and do yourself... less chance of hitting nerves or viens...

how would you do it though.... push like hell through a slin pin? or 25g needle?

good video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n98LOFQwUGA

krustus
I use a 25g x 5/8" for pinning delts, pecs.