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My wife passed this on to me, Quite interesting as, admittedly, I didn't know what the 3rd Amendment was. Watch it, and see what you think!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F584p5kJL-U&feature=player_detailpage
 
Will have to watch the video when I can later.
3rd amendment states that the government can't make you house troops in your home, yes?
Tell me people are trying to extrapolate this ad absurdum such as :
no quartering means it's unlawful to use my taxes to keep a national guard or us soldiers in my state!
I can see tea partiers trying to claim that this makes any military action or presence against the law.

But other than that it is practically obselete -- no one has tried to make people allow soldiers to live in their homes since we were a colony.

you know there is still no amendment guaranteeing equal rights for women? It says they can vote...but technically it would not be unconstitutional to have their right to work, own property, or in other ways be discriminated against. In fact, ethnic minorities, disabled people...almost everyone else has more protections under the constitution than women.
The Equal Rights Amendment was proposed in 1923, hot on the heels of the suffrage amendment..but the states failed to ratify it and it's never gone through since.
strange shit.
 
Hell yeah dead on. People don't understand that without guns or a militia, "We the People" are at the mercy of the government. We are the government, but so many don't get that.

I LOVE THE PART ABOUT IF YOU ARE FOR NO GUNS THEN POST A SIGN IN YOUR FRONT YARD SAYING THIS HOME IS GUN FREE. LOVE IT.

Great post!
 
here is my take probably going to piss someone off but this is my opinion..

for me personally I could give a shit if they limited the types and amounts of weapons we can have. Here is why 90% of the population does not commit crimes it is only the 10 % that is causing a problem.. Now IF they would institute stronger penalties for real crimes like murder and rape and theft then those crimes would go away as well..

The 2nd amendment was originally put into place when we did not actually have a national military they wanted every swinging dick to have a weapon so that if they were called upon all the gov would have to do is pass out patch, ball and powder.. MUCH CHEAPER then having a national military. People do forget the reason the 2nd amendment was put into place it did have its place in time..

Do I think they should limit weapons entirely NO. Do I see the need for military type weapons for people. I have mixed feelings. I see a good majority of people who own weapons like this are fucking stupid. A lot of them seem to think they are some bad ass with certain weapon systems such as the M4 platform.. They buy their high speed rigs so they can look like they are some high speed military soldier, yet they lack all the skills that are put into these soldiers to properly utilize this weapon. The M4 weapon system is designed for one thing only that is killing people.. And to be truly honest for home defense the best fucking weapon in the world is a shotgun with 00 and bird shot stacked. Hand guns and CQB weapon systems are not a good idea for the average joe to be using to defend their home and families. Most people have never been put into the position to take another persons life and when that time comes there are a whole plethora of emotions that run over you. Last thing the average person needs to be doing is correcting a malfunction or trying to acquire a good sight picture to engage the target. Although there is a way to engage close targets without using sights with this type of system but the average person I would bet dont know how to do it.

Would I vote to restrict certain weapon systems from the american people no I would not.. Because regardless of the 2nd amendment we are a free country we should be allowed to do what we want as long as it does not bring harm to ones self or others.

I do think the government has profited off the wars buy selling such weapons and certain gear that goes along with it.. Which I do not agree with.. There is nothing I cant kill with as 270 that I could kill with an M4 only great thing about the M4 or other close type weapons is the less I have to reload when I am shooting.. And really the M4 and most cousins of the AR systems are junk. They are not very dependable they max effective range is useless for a hunter. even past 300 meters the weapon need a good shooter behind it in order to get rounds on target.

So unless you plan on doing a shit ton of target shooting there is no real world application for this weapon for the average person. They can take the M4 away as long as I can keep my long rifles and shotguns and my pistols I dont care they can even take away my high cap magz.

A nation does not need a weapon to fall is government it only needs a dedicated focused populace to get things they need accomplished, accomplished . the hardest part is fighting the televised propaganda that is displayed on a daily basis..

I hope I didnt lose any friends lol
 
Actually, if you look at exactly WHAT the founding fathers said about the 2nd amendment, you would see that it had nothing to do with the military. The fact that we have a military and that the government is in total charge of it, is what should concern you the most. If you would like an example, maybe think back to Hitler. The right to bear arms is to protect us from an out of control government.

http://cap-n-ball.com/fathers.htm
 
I also think that there should be an IQ test done on every person that is able to vote. To make sure there smart enough to make and intelligent decison to vote .
 
Actually, Wabbs and Odin are both right. The Gov didn't have a national military and, the founding fathers realized we needed a militia to protect us against the military of the British, as well as, our own. (Hence the 3rd Amendment). I agree with the principles of quite a bit of what you said Odin. Those guns really have no purpose, other than to major damage to a large line of beer bottles on a tree trunk. That doesn't change the fact that I have a right to own one (as you said). I also agree, that if I want to protect my home, it's gonna be with my Berretta, Colt, Smith & Wesson, or my Shotgun. It won't be with my SKS
 
Buck said:
I also think that there should be an IQ test done on every person that is able to vote. To make sure there smart enough to make and intelligent decison to vote .
there goes most lefties and righties
 
GRIM said:
Buck said:
I also think that there should be an IQ test done on every person that is able to vote. To make sure there smart enough to make and intelligent decison to vote .
there goes most lefties and righties
Yep, and most of the women 😛
 
Odin, the right to bear arms was put in place for multiple reasons. One of them being to defend yourself against a tyrannical government. Another to be able to protect yourself. It had nothing to do with hunting, sporting or anything of that sort. Then we did have an army. It was the continental army , and they fought along side with the local militias. two separate entities. So to say that the 2nd amendment was put into place because we had no army is false.
I am not trying to undermine your opinion because it is your right, and you do fight for the constitution as did I, but maybe understand it a little better.
Gun violence isn't happening because of lack of gun laws, its happening on account of criminals breaking laws. Unlawfully obtaining a gun via black market, stealing, etc. Some of them happen from legally purchased weapons sure. But statistically that is not the case. A lot of the weapons that criminals have are being thrown back on the black market because of government tracking or crooked LE policies.
The M4 was created for killing yes, but the M4 series is also a military grade weapon with the option to go semi auto single or auto burst. As with the M16 series.
Now the version available to civilians is just a single shot semi auto. This is not an assault weapon or a military grade weapon.
You also stated that you can be more lethal with a shot gun because you dont need to achieve a good sight picture. This makes the idea of a shotgun look bad as well. Guns were made for one thing and one thing only. Killing. Whether it be war, defense or crime.
I think the only way to solve the problem is by better educating everyone from a young age on weapons, make every place a carry zone and every adult be armed. people would be too afraid of doing anything to anyone because they would be stopped.
Respectfully,
Shasta.
 
shasta my point about not having a NATIONAL ARMY was meant as we did not have a full fledged military force during peace time to carry out the orders of CONGRESS as in the way we do today.

The task of organizing the U.S. Army commenced in 1775. In the first one hundred years of its existence, the United States Army was maintained as a small peacetime force to man permanent forts and perform other non-wartime duties such as engineering and construction works. During times of war, the U.S. Army was augmented by the much larger United States Volunteers which were raised independently by various state governments. States also maintained full-time militias which could also be called into the service of the army.

The numbers that comprised the force was small and took time to organize and fit the soldiers with proper weapons and munitions to carry out orders.. WHICH is why the second amendment was put into place. SO that when the volunteers were called upon they already were self sustaining in weapons and munitions, to a point. The founding fathers did not foresee the advancements in the arms race we would have made today nor the issues we face today.. WHat they did foresee was a government trying to enforce unconstitutional laws which is a caveat to the second amendment, TO protect oneself from domestic threats and threats from the government. Such as the ones we face today.

I read my last statement and I do not see where I said it had anything to do with hunting or the like. But by them enforcing these laws it will inter fear with your given right to hunt, or to participate in gun sporting events.

Also I still stand behind my point about not needing to achieve a good sight picture to engage a threat with a shot gun. Point being you can successfully engage the target from the hip and put rounds on target without shouldering the weapon system. And for the average person who is not trained to accurately engage targets in a rapid manner. Which is the case most civilians who are faced with such an instance find themselves in. With a shot gun you can point and pull the trigger from the hip and have a 90% success rate of killing the threat. less than .01 of the american populace has ever found themselves in an situation to where they have to engage a human threat.. The shotgun is an area weapon unlike the m4 or handgun. It takes a lot of stress off the shooter to achieve a good sight picture when engaging a target. Which is why I say the shotgun is the best weapon system for the average person for defense.

ASSAULT WEAPON refers to different types of firearms and weapons, and is a term that has differing meanings and usages.
In discussions about gun laws and gun politics in the United States, an assault weapon is most commonly defined as a semi-automatic firearm possessing certain ergonomic or construction features similar to those of military firearms. Semi-automatic firearms fire one bullet (round) each time the trigger is pulled; the spent cartridge case is ejected and another cartridge is loaded into the chamber, without requiring the manual operation of a bolt handle, a lever, or a sliding handgrip. An assault weapon has a detachable magazine, in conjunction with one, two, or more other features such as a pistol grip, a folding or collapsing stock, a flash suppressor, or a bayonet lug.[1] Most assault weapons are rifles, but pistols or shotguns may also fall under the definition(s) or be specified by name.
The exact definition of the term in this context varies among each of the various jurisdictions limiting or prohibiting assault weapon manufacture, importation, sale, or possession, and legislative attempts are often made to change the definitions. Governing and defining laws include the now-expired Federal Assault Weapons Ban,[2] as well as state and local laws often derived from or including definitions verbatim from the expired Federal Law.
Whether or not assault weapons should be legally restricted more than other firearms, how they should be defined, and even whether or not the term "assault weapon" should be used at all, are questions subject to considerable debate.[3][4][5][6][7] As a political and legal term, it is highly controversial. Critics have asserted that the term is a media invention,[8] or a term that was intended by gun control activists to foster confusion with the public over differences between fully automatic and semi-automatic firearms.[9]
The term "assault weapon" is sometimes conflated with the term "assault rifle". An assault rifle is a military rifle capable of selective fire originally intended to replace other small arms or crew-served weapons during a military assault. This may include fully automatic fire, where multiple rounds are fired continuously when the trigger is pulled and held, and/or burst fire, where a burst of several rounds are fired when the trigger is pulled once.[10] In the United States, fully automatic firearms are heavily restricted and regulated by federal laws such as the National Firearms Act of 1934 and the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, as well as state and local laws.
The term "assault weapon" is also used to refer to various weapons that are used by the military for offensive operations in battle. Many of these military assault weapons are far more powerful than conventional firearms or small arms, such as portable rocket launchers used for anti-tank and bunker destruction purposes and various other weapons using flammable munitions and/or explosives.
 
RockShawn said:
I sleep with a glock and tritium sights
I sleep with a woman 8)



...but have a glock w/ nightsights on each nightstand and a Mossy 500 a couple feet away 😛
 
ODINSBLOOD said:
shasta my point about not having a NATIONAL ARMY was meant as we did not have a full fledged military force during peace time to carry out the orders of CONGRESS as in the way we do today.

The task of organizing the U.S. Army commenced in 1775. In the first one hundred years of its existence, the United States Army was maintained as a small peacetime force to man permanent forts and perform other non-wartime duties such as engineering and construction works. During times of war, the U.S. Army was augmented by the much larger United States Volunteers which were raised independently by various state governments. States also maintained full-time militias which could also be called into the service of the army.

The numbers that comprised the force was small and took time to organize and fit the soldiers with proper weapons and munitions to carry out orders.. WHICH is why the second amendment was put into place. SO that when the volunteers were called upon they already were self sustaining in weapons and munitions, to a point. The founding fathers did not foresee the advancements in the arms race we would have made today nor the issues we face today.. WHat they did foresee was a government trying to enforce unconstitutional laws which is a caveat to the second amendment, TO protect oneself from domestic threats and threats from the government. Such as the ones we face today.

I read my last statement and I do not see where I said it had anything to do with hunting or the like. But by them enforcing these laws it will inter fear with your given right to hunt, or to participate in gun sporting events.

Also I still stand behind my point about not needing to achieve a good sight picture to engage a threat with a shot gun. Point being you can successfully engage the target from the hip and put rounds on target without shouldering the weapon system. And for the average person who is not trained to accurately engage targets in a rapid manner. Which is the case most civilians who are faced with such an instance find themselves in. With a shot gun you can point and pull the trigger from the hip and have a 90% success rate of killing the threat. less than .01 of the american populace has ever found themselves in an situation to where they have to engage a human threat.. The shotgun is an area weapon unlike the m4 or handgun. It takes a lot of stress off the shooter to achieve a good sight picture when engaging a target. Which is why I say the shotgun is the best weapon system for the average person for defense.

ASSAULT WEAPON refers to different types of firearms and weapons, and is a term that has differing meanings and usages.
In discussions about gun laws and gun politics in the United States, an assault weapon is most commonly defined as a semi-automatic firearm possessing certain ergonomic or construction features similar to those of military firearms. Semi-automatic firearms fire one bullet (round) each time the trigger is pulled; the spent cartridge case is ejected and another cartridge is loaded into the chamber, without requiring the manual operation of a bolt handle, a lever, or a sliding handgrip. An assault weapon has a detachable magazine, in conjunction with one, two, or more other features such as a pistol grip, a folding or collapsing stock, a flash suppressor, or a bayonet lug.[1] Most assault weapons are rifles, but pistols or shotguns may also fall under the definition(s) or be specified by name.
The exact definition of the term in this context varies among each of the various jurisdictions limiting or prohibiting assault weapon manufacture, importation, sale, or possession, and legislative attempts are often made to change the definitions. Governing and defining laws include the now-expired Federal Assault Weapons Ban,[2] as well as state and local laws often derived from or including definitions verbatim from the expired Federal Law.
Whether or not assault weapons should be legally restricted more than other firearms, how they should be defined, and even whether or not the term "assault weapon" should be used at all, are questions subject to considerable debate.[3][4][5][6][7] As a political and legal term, it is highly controversial. Critics have asserted that the term is a media invention,[8] or a term that was intended by gun control activists to foster confusion with the public over differences between fully automatic and semi-automatic firearms.[9]
The term "assault weapon" is sometimes conflated with the term "assault rifle". An assault rifle is a military rifle capable of selective fire originally intended to replace other small arms or crew-served weapons during a military assault. This may include fully automatic fire, where multiple rounds are fired continuously when the trigger is pulled and held, and/or burst fire, where a burst of several rounds are fired when the trigger is pulled once.[10] In the United States, fully automatic firearms are heavily restricted and regulated by federal laws such as the National Firearms Act of 1934 and the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, as well as state and local laws.
The term "assault weapon" is also used to refer to various weapons that are used by the military for offensive operations in battle. Many of these military assault weapons are far more powerful than conventional firearms or small arms, such as portable rocket launchers used for anti-tank and bunker destruction purposes and various other weapons using flammable munitions and/or explosives.
Even still, it took until Adams that we had one. Clearly shows Washington's view on the subject. Franklin and Jefferson were also outspoken in opposition of the US having a standing army. Thus the 2nd Amendment. It was created so the citizens could form their own militia to protect themselves and their country, from enemies foreign and domestic
 
Got a twin brother and his line of work lets just say required firearms. One of his rifles has a 60 round clip!!!!🙂


Look out for fag-ghost
 
SkinNbone said:
Got a twin brother and his line of work lets just say required firearms. One of his rifles has a 60 round clip!!!!🙂


Look out for fag-ghost
no it doesn't...

http://xdind.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/clip-vs-magazine.jpg

(dunno how to insert an image here lol. The normal code no workie)
 
Yep it does. Two 30 round clips welded together. Got a pic of it but can't use tapatalk to put it up. Looks like an extra long banana clip
Jack I sent u a PM on your OLM account. Check out that weapon!!🙂

Look out for fag-ghost
 
SkinNbone said:
Yep it does. Two 30 round clips welded together. Got a pic of it but can't use tapatalk to put it up. Looks like an extra long banana clip
Jack I sent u a PM on your OLM account. Check out that weapon!!🙂

Look out for fag-ghost
lol. Look at the pic I posted. I broke it down in the PM reply I just sent too. It's a magazine. It's not a clip. I caught a TON of shit for calling it wrong when I was young. Just paying it forward lol
 

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