First cycle -any help would be appreciated

[BWillyMS]

Hello all, first post so might be a bit off. I joined at the recommendation of a friend and user of this forum and I appreciate all the information here. I have been reading non stop for a week and believe I have a good plan for my first Cycle. I just wanted to put it out here for everyone to see and provide input if I missed something.

First - Bloodwork. I am getting Bloodwork done soon to provide my baseline. I have my diet and workout schedule from licenses dieticians and personal trainers.

I will be doing a 12 week cycle of Tren E and Deca. PCT will consist of HCG and Aromacin as needed.

My dosages are 500mg/wk of Test E and Deca.

If I find out I am Estrogen prone should I take Aromacin during cycle? Where can I find HCG? I wanted to order from Dyel, recommendation from same friend who uses this forum.

Thanks for all the help in advance.

 

[TSizemore]

For your first cycle, I like your simplicity. No reason to burden yourself down with complicated layouts. Good doses, too!

Aromasin during your cycle is fine, but wait until you start seeing some symptoms. Never take compounds unnecessarily or just because. Once you've run a few cycles you'll get a good picture of how your body responds and when you should be adding AI's and SERM's in.

I personally would prefer Nolva and Aromasin during cycle for you, if needed of course, and if not needed during cycle then Nolva and HCG as PCT.

You might get a lot of different advice here from the peeps as far as what is the best "First cycle", but, whatever anyone says....Less is More! Don't run crazy doses, there is absolutely no need or reason too.

 

[suraonyx23]

Use only Test for your first cycle. Reason being is if you have some issues/side effects you won't know which one is the culprit. What is your PCT layout gonna look like?

 

[BWillyMS]

PCT will consist of HCG at a recommended dose (help needed here) and Aromasin and Nolvadex now with the recommendation from Mr. TSizemore. I have run a Test cycle before to test for sides but experienced none. Excited to run my first real cycle and see what this body can become. I am 5'11" and around 240. I have a higher than normal BF% but am actively slimming down now.

 

[tkasch30]

I would highly recommend dyel! Maybe I'm biased tho. Lol

Test and deca good first cycle. Don't do test only for first cycle, this is just another stupid myth. Multiple drugs will give you better results. People say use test only to see how your body will react, there's already test in your system so obviously the side effects will just be slightly Amplified. No one's going to die from a testosterone cycle or grow two heads people blow this shit way out of proportion. Worst side effect you can have from just test will be cured by taking an ai. So don't let these people scare you into thinking you're going to have some terrible side effects.

 

[kingofclowns]

First, I would really get your BF down more before starting because it will be a little depressing if you can't see your gains better due to too much BF.

Good run but too short for deca. Either switch to NPP/NCYP or Bump this to 16 weeks then cruise on 100-150 mg/wk test for a bit for the deca to clear your system. Use steroidcalc.com to map when that will happen. Your cruise dosage should be whatever puts your test at the upper end of the range but keeps your estro in range WITHOUT AI, confirmed by bloodwork.

Don't dose aromasin without bloodwork confirming you need it. Even 6.25 mg on pin days on the same blast (i don't cycle i am on rx for life) you are proposing crashed my estro because I don't aromatize much. Keep in mind that if you are using HCG during this blast, HCG itself aromatizes as well.

On the topic of bloodwork, you have to get the ultra sensitive lc/ms e2 test because the regular one is not accurate enough for our purposes. You could be in the danger zone of low and the regular test can show normal.

And yes, DYEL has excellent products. Have used them a bunch thus far in my journey.

Lastly, index - steroids is an excellent source of information. It collects all sorts of shit and puts it in one place.

 

[kingofclowns]

also, watch out with AI on PCT. you want your estro to come back up to get things going. if you crush it, you won't PCT right

 

[BWillyMS]

I'm thinking 500 iu a week of HCG for three weeks PCT. Any thoughts?

 

[Jinko]

I'm of the less is more camp. If you can get good results with less then thats what you do.

Whats the end game here? To look better? Make money from your body? Get chicks? Be honest with yourself.

 

[BWillyMS]

Look better/feel better. I'll go with what I need, was just wondering if there was a typical dosage.

 

[Jinko]

Try 375mg of test. I think you'll be surprised how great you feel.

 

[TSizemore]

I'll never argue with those that advocate "less is more" and "do your homework". Good stuff!

 

[RebelMachinist]

Looks like a good solid cycle to me also. My first cycle was 500mg test e and 500mg deca a week. Except I just never came off i've always stayed on Test E haha. You'll love it. Have fun and train hard!

 

[BWillyMS]

Looks like a good solid cycle to me also. My first cycle was 500mg test e and 500mg deca a week. Except I just never came off i've always stayed on Test E haha. You'll love it. Have fun and train hard!

Thanks for the reply and support. Starting next Wednesday if all goes well. Really excited. Got my workouts and meal prep all done and ready to have some serious gains.

 

[Hanzo]

Tren E for your 1st Tren run? No. Just no. If you run into Tren sides that you can't handle, tough shit, you are using Enanthate ester. Try Tren Ace for your 1st Tren cycle. I know, more pins, but if your sides are too heavy you can jump off and the sides will quickly recede. Not so with Tren E.
I also would choose NPP over Deca, I hate Deca, but that's me.
Also, 2 19-Nor's on your 1st blast? I dunno know about that either. Looks like an uncomfortable run to me, especially for your 1st blast. Just sayin'.

 

[RebelMachinist]

Tren E for your 1st Tren run? No. Just no. If you run into Tren sides that you can't handle, tough shit, you are using Enanthate ester. Try Tren Ace for your 1st Tren cycle. I know, more pins, but if your sides are too heavy you can jump off and the sides will quickly recede. Not so with Tren E.
I also would choose NPP over Deca, I hate Deca, but that's me.
Also, 2 19-Nor's on your 1st blast? I dunno know about that either. Looks like an uncomfortable run to me, especially for your 1st blast. Just sayin'.

The tren e was a typo lol at least I hope!

 

[BWillyMS]

Just realized this said Trent E, I'm going with Test E. Sorry for the confusion

 

[Andrew0409]

I personally hate deca. Run test 5-600 and eq with anavar.


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[buffalohead]

I personally hate deca. Run test 5-600 and eq with anavar.


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How come, Andrew? Deca does seem to be a love it or hate it type of thing.

 

[Andrew0409]

How come, Andrew? Deca does seem to be a love it or hate it type of thing.

I guess I'm not a true body builder. Not looking to just bulk up which is what deca does with a high calorie intake. I already eat maybe 3-4K calories just maintaining. When I'm training hard for something I need like 4-8k calories training 5-6 hours a day.

It don't like the wAter retention and moon face and acne. Plus I need to worry about not just estrogen but also progesterone. It's just not a compound I can utilize well for my goals. I'm a lean guy, I like to be lean.


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