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First time w hgh

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About to start my first run of hgh. Got some greys from a good source that everyone is pleased with. I've pretty much got all my ducks in a row, but just looking for a little more advice.

First , is timing of pins. I don't really see a concensus on when is the best time. My goal is adding size. No real need to cut. I've seen some say all before bed , some in morning, some pre and some post workout. I'll be starting with just 2iu, and depending how it goes , I'll work up to 4iu, then go from there. And wondering if food consumption in the immediate time of pin makes any difference .

Other question is t4. Some say it's a must, some say it's pointless. So just wondering if I need this as well.

Thanks for your time fellas, and of course, any other tips or recommendations to enhance are welcome 🙂
 
Takes about 3 months to see any progress.....I take before and after workout.....T4 helps with being tired which always happens to me after injecting


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johnsonl3872 said:
Takes about 3 months to see any progress.....I take before and after workout.....T4 helps with being tired which always happens to me after injecting


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Yeah Ive got 300 iu of greys now. And I've got a solid source that I'll get some more from here in a few weeks. I'll go through Xmas at least or maybe even till next summer if I'm happy with progress.
 
Am pin and pm pin for me.

Growth hormone and thyroid hormones have been standard drugs in the arsenals of bodybuilders for years. Growth hormone has been used for its anabolic, muscle cell increasing, fat loss and anti aging properties. Thyroid hormones have been used for the fat loss, stimulatory and (to a lesser extent) anabolic effects. In this article I will look at the synergies between the two different types of thyroid hormone (T4 and T3) and Growth hormone (GH) and their applications in bodybuilding.

Before we get into the juicy stuff, we need to start with a little ‘geek-talk’ and some physiology.

The body produces two thyroid hormones, the first is thyroxine (T4) and the second is triiodothyronine (T3), which is the most widely used thyroid hormone in the world of muscle building. T4 is the inactive thyroid hormone and needs to be converted to T3 to exert thyroid-specific effects. This is done by the enzymes in the deiodinase group, of which there are 3 types – D1 and D2, which involved in the initiation of the process of conversion of T4 to T3 and D3, which is involved in the deactivation process.

The secretion of T4 is created in the thyroid gland and is stimulated by Thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH), which in turn is stimulated by Thryrotropin Releasing hormone (TRH). So, when T3 levels rise, the body says, ‘hey, I have enough T3 floating around, so I need to cut back’, which it does by suppressing TSH (this is known as a ‘negative feedback loop’). Incidentally, thyroid hormones require insulin or IGF-1 to trigger their effects.

Growth hormone (GH) is produced in the pituitary gland and is regulated by factors such as hormones and enzymes. It is regulated by two hormones Somatostatin (SS) and Growth hormone releasing hormone (GHRH). When there is too much GH circulating the body another negative feedback loop tells it to produce SS to decrease GH levels. When the body has too little GH, GHRH is produced.

GH has the ability to stimulate the conversion of T4 to T3, making thyroid hormones partially dependent on GH. Somatostatin (which is secreted when GH levels are too high) can also inhibit TSH secretion or reduce TRH secretion, which means it can limit the amount of T4 produced by the body. This means that although GH increases the conversion of T4 to T3, which means more T3, it may actually mean lower than normal T4 levels.

GH gene transcription is what gives GH its wonderful effects (such as muscle growth, fat loss etc) and T3 enhances these effects, making GH and T3 extremely synergistic, in fact, T3 is the limiting factor in exogenous GH usage. Here we now have a contradiction: T3 and GH are synergistic, but too much T3 decreases the anabolic effects of GH.

This is where Anthony Roberts (a well known steroid and performance enhancing drugs expert) hypothesised that it is the conversion process of T4 to T3 that is important. Let me explain. When there is too much T3 in the body and normal levels of T4, the thyroid sends a signal to produce less D1 and D2 (the activators) and more of D3 (the in-activator) and thus inhibits many of the synergistic effects of T3. When D3 levels are high, growth factors such as IGF-1 are stimulated, which means D3 is an important part of the equation with regards to the anabolic effects of GH.

Now for the part you have all been waiting for, the summary and conclusion…

When growth hormone is taken, along with T3, the GH will stop converting T4 to T3 after a certain point, which means it will shut of the good, anabolic effects of GH by killing the pathway that creates them! This, to me, seems like a bad thing! Now if we add T4 into a GH cycle, we would enhance this pathway, giving the GH more anabolic effects!

Remember that T4 alone is pretty ineffective for our purposes and requires something like GH to be made effective.

I have actually seen how effective using T4 in conjunction with GH is, first hand. An athlete I was working with was dieting for a show using GH and T3 (along with many other anabolic compounds), but was seeing no change in his fat to muscle ratio. Even with changes in his diet, such as lowering carbs, increasing cardio and even lowering calories, there were minimal changes, at best. T4 was introduced and within 1 week a change of 2.5% body fat and an increase of 1kg of muscle was measured! This is a pretty drastic change in any book.

The way I see it, growth hormone costs a lot, and, if it were me, I would want to maximise it as much as possible to get a better ‘bang for my buck’, T4 seems to be the catalyst here and without it, GH is a waste of money.
 
Bro I've been running HGH for about 2 months now, maybe 10 weeks total. For every 2iu I do 50mcg of T4. Currently I'm running 5iu of HGH with 250mcg of T4.

Honestly bro I've felt extremely tired like fuck I was tired on the 3 days straight I went without T4. On days I use T4 I feel great.

It's best to split doses in two, pre morning and post nightly. Also don't take the T4 around the time you eat. A member here, believe it was a major vendor said by taking around the time you eat food, you just nulled it, making it useless.

For me I take T4 before bed on empty stomach, I take half my HGH in morning and wait 45 mins before eating and I take it nightly 45minutes before eating.
 
This is great guys thank you. Every time I try to Google or other research, I've just found inconclusive ideas that are just open ended . Guys first hand experiences are what have always proved most beneficial to me. Really appreciate it
 
I've been running Hgh and t-4 for quite a few years and 2+ years straight now. I play with the dosing frequently, depending upon the goals at the current time. I also incorporate igf-1/Lr3 around prep time as well , usually about the time i drop the Slin. Overall Hgh has been very helpful in my overall growth,muscle maturity and fullness.
 
I tool my first pin this morning when I woke up. 15 minutes later, I was asleep lol. I don't know if it was the hgh, but I normally don't do that. T4 may be a must for me of its going to make me sleepy.
 
It peaks at about 2.5-3 hours lol. You probably were just tired still. 😉


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With out going into all kinds of technical and scientific explanations....
T4 with Gh is good. No reason to get crazy with it though, def. keep the T4 below 100mcg. 2 Iu's of Gh are not going to help you grow at all....period, no matter how long you take it. GH needs to be taken long term for real results. 4Iu's, at least, per day for your reported needs, split first thing AM, (eat 30min afterward) and late afternoon PM is real good. If you can get Igf....take that immediately post workout (assuming the workout is in the evening after your later afternoon Gh shot)
 
i loved the first few weeks, 3 IUs made me feel all swelled up with intracellular water, felt round and pumped, but like you're hearing HGH is not going to blow you up, maybe over years of developing new cells and working out, it mostly aids in diet, in fullness and with the new cells via IGF production, hope you're not disappointed its far from the same as eating anadrol 50 for 2 weeks and lifting a car over your head, nothing spectacular will happen
 
No this is all great info guys. Thank you. And no I'm not expecting huge gains. To be honest, I just kind of stumbled across these. I've given thought to running gh before to try and heal up some minor issues, but never got around to it. But since I got these, I figured what the hell. And I'm to type of guy that if I'm gonna do it, then I'm gonna do it the best I can.

Starting at 2 ius but I'll work up to 4 and then go from there as wether or not to go higher. I think my sleepiness is due to the fact it's 100 degrees every day in texas lol.

But really do appreciate the posts answered pretty much all the questions I had. 🙂
 

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