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How many carbs do you need post workout

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Muscular Development prides itself on bringing our readers the most cutting-edge research available, but it's amazing how fast just one research paper can change a person's thoughts on a subject. If a bodybuilder asked our research department last week, "Do I need carbohydrates in my drink, post-exercise?" they would have said, "You probably need some carbohydrates because of the anti-catabolic actions of the insulin spike." If someone were to ask the exact amount of grams, we wouldn't have an answer. As you know, insulin is an anti-catabolic hormone that suppresses protein breakdown.

In contrast, infusion of a low dose of insulin directly into the brachial artery has been reported to achieve the maximal effect on protein breakdown.5,6 It’s interesting that diabetics or patients with insulin resistance have increased muscle protein breakdown and increased muscle atrophy, due to the defects in insulin signaling. The increased breakdown of muscle in diabetics is also due to elevated ubiquitin-proteasome pathway (UPP) levels, which create a catabolic scenario.1

Carbohydrate supplements reduce muscle protein breakdown, but have no effect on muscle protein synthesis.2,3 In fact, even though carbohydrate ingestion reduces muscle tissue breakdown, the net balance of protein kinetics still remains negative.4 Most bodybuilders recommend incorporating periodic high-glycemic meals, which spike insulin— especially post-workout. This is not only effective for maintaining an anabolic state, but the insulin spike that results also shuts down the UPP pathway and reduces muscle tissue breakdown.

A study published in BMC Molecular Biology reports that increasing amino acids, or leucine alone, acts with insulin to downregulate muscle protein breakdown and reduce UPP. Thus, the use of l-leucine while dieting seems to be effective for reducing muscle tissue breakdown by reducing UPP. In addition to hormonal stimulators of UPP, resistance exercise also increases UPP, which is a normal adaptation to exercise. For years, bodybuilders have been told to consume a high-glycemic index shake with some added protein/BCAAs after exercise, but a new study will make you ask, do you need a ton of carbs, post-exercise?

How Much Is Enough?
A study published in the American Journal of Physiology examined both low and high carbohydrate ingestion before resistance exercise to determine how many carbs is enough. The researchers used equivalent amounts of essential amino acids (~20 grams) but differing amounts of carbohydrates (low carbohydrates = 30 grams; high carbohydrates = 90 grams). The male research subjects ingested nutrients one hour after an acute bout of leg-resistance exercise.

30-Gram Rule
The results of the study were quite interesting. Of course, the group that consumed 90 grams of carbohydrates had larger increases in blood glucose levels, but the results in protein synthesis were similar. The researchers concluded that the findings were similar to previous studies, which found that muscle protein synthesis is not enhanced when carbohydrates exceed 30 grams. The researchers did not detect any significant differences in gene expression for markers of muscle catabolism following larger dosages of carbohydrates.7 They concluded that the changes in muscle protein synthesis were due to changes in the essential amino acids, while only a moderate dose of carbohydrates (~30 grams) is needed. Furthermore, these changes occur irrespective of the carbohydrate dose or circulating insulin levels.
So when bodybuilders are using post-workout carbohydrate beverages such as Vitargo or maltodextrins, 30 grams are all you need— and taking more than that does not seem to provide additional benefit in terms of muscle protein breakdown.

References:
1. Wang X, Hu Z, Hu J, Du J, Mitch WE. Insulin resistance accelerates muscle protein degradation: Activation of the ubiquitin-proteasome pathway by defects in muscle cell signaling. Endocrinology, 2006 Sep;147(9):4160-8.
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2. Roy BD, Tarnopolsky MA, MacDougall JD, Fowles J, Yarasheski KE. Effect of glucose supplement timing on protein metabolism after resistance training. J Appl Physiol, 1997 Jun;82(6):1882-8.


3. Roy BD, Fowles JR, Hill R, Tarnopolsky MA. Macronutrient intake and whole body protein metabolism following resistance exercise. Med Sci Sports Exerc, 2000 Aug;32(8):1412-8.


4. Borsheim E, Cree MG, Tipton KD, Elliott TA, Aarsland A, Wolfe RR. Effect of carbohydrate intake on net muscle protein synthesis during recovery from resistance exercise. J Appl Physiol, 2004 Feb;96(2):674-8.


5. Louard RJ, Fryburg DA, Gelfand RA, Barrett EJ: Insulin sensitivity of protein and glucose metabolism in human forearm skeletal muscle. J Clin Invest, 90:2348-2354, 1992.


6. Meek SE, Persson M, Ford GC, Nair KS. Differential regulation of amino acid exchange and protein dynamics across splanchnic and skeletal muscle beds by insulin in healthy human subjects. Diabetes, 1998 Dec;47(12):1824-35.

7. Glynn EL, Fry CS, Drummond MJ, Dreyer HC, Dhanani S, Volpi E, Rasmussen BB. Muscle Protein Breakdown has a Minor Role in the Protein Anabolic Response to Essential Amino Acid and Carbohydrate Intake Following Resistance Exercise. Am J Physiol Regul Integr Comp Physiol, 2010 Jun 2.
 
I been telling everybody to eat a bag of gummy bears on your way out the gym, then eat 1/2 lb fruit (watermelon, apple, banana) wait 30 mins then PWO protein. They say I crazy. The insulin spike is necessary for muscle growth.
 
MattyIce said:
I been telling everybody to eat a bag of gummy bears on your way out the gym, then eat 1/2 lb fruit (watermelon, apple, banana) wait 30 mins then PWO protein. They say I crazy. The insulin spike is necessary for muscle growth.

When I bulk I will eat just 3 or 4 sprees post workout and I filled out and bulk up a lot better.
 
I do about 30 grms pre workout, 120 grm intra and 40 grm post
 
jshredz said:
I do about 30 grms pre workout, 120 grm intra and 40 grm post

When you do this are taking any insulin? And is this during bulking, cutting, or just all the time?
 
All the time insulin or not. When I take slin I actually up that number. When about a month from a show I'll decrease that number or drop the post workout carbs
 
jshredz said:
All the time insulin or not. When I take slin I actually up that number. When and a month from a show I'll decrease that number or drop the post workout carbs

What are the carbs sources for all three (pre, intra, and post)?
 
Pre malto karbolyn mix, post karbolyn. Intra powdered Gatorade, Carbion or karbolyn, dextrose combined with flavored aminos.
I have tried multiple combinations in order to build up to this, going right into these amount of carbs will make you boat to much, specifically the dextrose.
 
Normally 2 about hours before workout it would be around 50 grms from rice or sweet potatoes.

40 min after my post workout carbs it will be another 30 grms frim rice, quinoa or potatoes ( off season only)
 
Great read! Ive been using karbolic before and after workouts. 50g each. Maybe ill start adding carbs during my workout too. Been on the fence with slin, never used it but have a good amount sitting in my fridge! 1 bottle already expired! Ever since ive upped my calorie intake for the day i feel like ive been growing more! I use hgh and t4 too. The combo with carbs is really showing a big difference and my muscles are fuller and im surprisingly staying lean while growing!!!!
 

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