Lifting weights Vs Body Building

[LittleTom]

Just looking around and really liked this so I thought I would share.


http://www.bodybuildingsecrets.com/articles/form_the_difference_between_bodybuilding_weight_lifting.php

 

[tunaman7]

I would change #3 (I think that's the one) continuous tension. Your range of motion should create continuous tension on the target muscle. In order to do that you should shorten your range just enuff so that the only ,joint moving is the one associated with that muscle group . That is key...Isolate and give continuous tension.

 

[krustus]

i always believed that being consistent at almost any training style would get you jacked... the top level crossfit guys are jacked... the top gymnast are jacked... top mma guys are jacked...top olympic lifters are jacked.

now the most jacked on the planet...yates, coleman, cutler, etc.... use some time under tension techniques i think. but they are the apex of the sport and got the best genetics, drugs, etc...

my point is, find a training style you enjoy and will stick with is the most important thing. and as you get further if you want to go pro you made need more tricks etc...

 

[LittleTom]

i always believed that being consistent at almost any training style would get you jacked... the top level crossfit guys are jacked... the top gymnast are jacked... top mma guys are jacked...top olympic lifters are jacked.

now the most jacked on the planet...yates, coleman, cutler, etc.... use some time under tension techniques i think. but they are the apex of the sport and got the best genetics, drugs, etc...

my point is, find a training style you enjoy and will stick with is the most important thing. and as you get further if you want to go pro you made need more tricks etc...

I have to disagree a bit. I have seen guys at the Ymca for years doing the same thing over and over and they have not changed one bit. If a person trains consistently bad you will not improve. Now if you find something that "works" like you said Krustus, then I agree. I have only recently (past year) started to implement new methods and the improvements have been vast. Trust me, I do not like them all but I do them because they work. The best of the best are not that way because they just do something over and over, they do it the right way. I think it's way more than doing something you like, it's about finding what makes your body change. We are all so different in that aspect. I feel it's about learning, adapting, and implementing. Using what works but always looking for improvements.

 

[tunaman7]

I have to disagree a bit. I have seen guys at the Ymca for years doing the same thing over and over and they have not changed one bit. If a person trains consistently bad you will not improve. Now if you find something that "works" like you said Krustus, then I agree. I have only recently (past year) started to implement new methods and the improvements have been vast. Trust me, I do not like them all but I do them because they work. The best of the best are not that way because they just do something over and over, they do it the right way. I think it's way more than doing something you like, it's about finding what makes your body change. We are all so different in that aspect. I feel it's about learning, adapting, and implementing. Using what works but always looking for improvements.

So...keep your training philosophy consistent but change your approach and technique. I like that. My personal philosophy is "risk reward". Does the risk of going heavier with less than perfect form outweigh the reward of a bigger stronger muscle. Does the risk of doing too many reps per set and going into a catabolic state (muscle loss) out weigh the reward of being more defined and lean....etc. So when I start getting crazy I will remember my personal philosophy and make sure that it supports my personal fitness / muscle building goal. It works for me...especially here in my mid fifties.

 

[LittleTom]

i think it's really up to the individual tuna. I'm never gonna be Arnold nor am I gonna be the best crossfiter. I'm 36 and for the most part my prime is behind me. My goal is to be some what of a body builder with athletic abilities. I have always viewd Stallone as a goal. He was a cross of a BB and athlete. So, I follow the principles to get there. I don't lift super heavy and enjoy my cardio.


Where I was going with my last post was, even though I will never be a super athlete or world class BBer, I can take their techniques and tricks and use them in my own training. Staying true to my goal but using the best methods to get there. Always looking for a better way. Not throwing everything out the window but keeping an open mind. Priming for a cycle, using tension on lifts, focusing mentally on a body part when lifting. Feeling the contraction when I lift. These small things can make an average BBer, athlete good, and a good BBer, athlete great.


I guess what I am saying that it pays to keep an open mind and always look to improve even though you may not be the next Yates.

 

[tunaman7]

i think it's really up to the individual tuna. I'm never gonna be Arnold nor am I gonna be the best crossfiter. I'm 36 and for the most part my prime is behind me. My goal is to be some what of a body builder with athletic abilities. I have always viewd Stallone as a goal. He was a cross of a BB and athlete. So, I follow the principles to get there. I don't lift super heavy and enjoy my cardio.


Where I was going with my last post was, even though I will never be a super athlete or world class BBer, I can take their techniques and tricks and use them in my own training. Staying true to my goal but using the best methods to get there. Always looking for a better way. Not throwing everything out the window but keeping an open mind. Priming for a cycle, using tension on lifts, focusing mentally on a body part when lifting. Feeling the contraction when I lift. These small things can make an average BBer, athlete good, and a good BBer, athlete great.


I guess what I am saying that it pays to keep an open mind and always look to improve even though you may not be the next Yates.

Well said. My philosophy changed when I turned 50. I decided to give up the size and go for a Zane type build. I have done pretty well towards that philosophy. Now my chest is a weak spot created by trying to be what I my genes want allow me to be. So the predictable result...too heavy...piss-poor form...PEC TEAR. So with my change in philosophy from size to aesthetics I have far fewer injuries and am overall very happy with what I have done. Even tho every now and then I see the size freaks and it's gets my mouth a watering. But then common sense prevails and I go back to what I know is right for me.

 

[krustus]

we are all really on the same page... and tuna... that risk reward deal is where i am at also... i had a pec tear (not gym related ) and i don't want any more of anything like that.

LT... those same people in the gym doing the same things don't count... lol... i'm talking about effort in your program... you could train like a gymnast and build a jacked bod...but not if you don't put in the effort.

you see several body weight exercise guys on youtube with bodies that rival stallones..

i'm saying effort and consistency are the key's, in diet and exercise

Rich Froning's bod is super jacked and i bet he does very little bodybuilding and mind muscle connection type stuff.

to be yates or coleman...who knows what that takes?...a good drug sponsor?

 

[LittleTom]

I see what your saying Krustus. Yes we are on the same page, consistency in a solid training program is key. Thats where the dedication comes in and makes the difference between your "average" person and the guys at the gym you look at and say "damn". Oh I know Stallone is easily rivaled by todays standards, I like him because his look is just solid and well put together and its attainable.

I googled Froning as I have never heard of him. He is really jacked but he does not have the look of a BBer. You can easily tell he does an overall style of training and does not focus on certain muscle groups. A cross fitter. I bet though he uses a lot of the same techniques BBers use. Taking things to failure, drop sets ect. We all use advanced techniques at some point. His sport does not require him to develop distinct muscle groups so his tool box in the gym will be different than a true BBer.


Same can be said for any athlete. A MMA fighter, Power lifter and so on. What makes a person above average is finding the techniques that work best for them. So if your goal is a BBer incorporate advanced moves from Yates, if your a MMA fighter do stuff that the best fighters do.


No,, you do not have to do certain things to get jacked, but if you want to be great in a certain area, of course there are things that will push you that direction. when ever I do something, I keep an open mind and look for better ways to do something. Thats all I am saying. We are on the same page though.

 

[Hogslayer]

i think it's really up to the individual tuna. I'm never gonna be Arnold nor am I gonna be the best crossfiter. I'm 36 and for the most part my prime is behind me. My goal is to be some what of a body builder with athletic abilities. I have always viewd Stallone as a goal. He was a cross of a BB and athlete. So, I follow the principles to get there. I don't lift super heavy and enjoy my cardio.




Where I was going with my last post was, even though I will never be a super athlete or world class BBer, I can take their techniques and tricks and use them in my own training. Staying true to my goal but using the best methods to get there. Always looking for a better way. Not throwing everything out the window but keeping an open mind. Priming for a cycle, using tension on lifts, focusing mentally on a body part when lifting. Feeling the contraction when I lift. These small things can make an average BBer, athlete good, and a good BBer, athlete great.


I guess what I am saying that it pays to keep an open mind and always look to improve even though you may not be the next Yates.

36 LT? Yeah you have one foot in the grave Grandpa. I see a retirement home in the near future.

 

[LittleTom]

You also touched on genetics, I think this is a huge factor that many overlook. My genetics suck, big time. My body wants to be soft and round, it just does. I think you have seen the pic of me before I started really training right. Even in that pic I was pushing it hard and doing somethings the right way. Without gear I would not look the way I do, not even close. I do not make any illusions about it.

So, on the other hand, there is a guy at my gym and he is a friend of mine. Late 20's a bit shorter than me but lean as hell and had some good definition. He does not use gear but just has some good genetics. I have always been soft, just me. I am in pretty ok shape right now with the help of chemicals. Imagine if my friend took gear and trained hard. He would easily look better than me. Genetics play a huge part in it IMO.

 

[krustus]

genetics are HUGE!!!... mine are slightly above average in muscle gain and fatloss departments... but nothing spectacular.

my real point is don't get caught in the small stuff... mind muscle connection with concentration curls, etc... when you can't squat or bench your body weight...lol

 

[LittleTom]

genetics are HUGE!!!... mine are slightly above average in muscle gain and fatloss departments... but nothing spectacular.

my real point is don't get caught in the small stuff... mind muscle connection with concentration curls, etc... when you can't squat or bench your body weight...lol

Very true lol.

 

[drakonrep]

genetics are 2 fold

1: how your body reacts to training. meaning the length of muscles, roundness, insertions, overal flow of the body

2: how the body reacts to hormones.

both are needed to be really something special, especially in the pro rankings.

but also knowledge and discipline to do diets and stick to them, very important also.

 

[tunaman7]

This is one of the better threads that I have read