Primo and pip

[Andrew0409]

I just ordered some primo and read from someone that primo depot will have a bite if it's real. I tried both primo ace, had to stop after a week because it just sucked. I ran primo depot once also and never got pip, but maybe it's fake? Does primo depot give you pip?


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[RebelMachinist]

I ran some primo enanthate from an older vendor on here Drakon Labs and I always got a good bit of PIP from it. Was less painful the. Test suspension though

 

[Jinko]

Never heard that real primo has pip. I was with a chick that used primo all the time, she never complained of pip.

 

[Torres]

If a lab claims that their products don't have PIP, then it's very well that the blend they've produced went from 'HIGH' PIP to 'LOW' PIP or none at all. But that's not always the case.
In my experience your going to get PIP from just about any oil you put in your body. I mean, you're putting a foreign object in your body where there should be none, so you're going to get some pain. That's the case !!! But I've only tried Primo A and E and at the very minimum I've only had a 'Very' small amount of pain, not much but I expect that.
Shit I remember years ago, every few times I would pin Gear from a certain lab, that will remain nameless, I would hurt so much that it was difficult to do my everyday things , Bad !!! But I knew it came with the territory , it's not always going to feel great.
So I say suck it up bro , when you lift weights , do you stop because you get sore and hurt ? This is basically the same scenario .
Few things you could do to tone down a compound .

Mix it with another compound, that will take the sting out of the oil.

Warm up the bottle under hot tap water , heating up the oil helps it disperse better .

Put a heating pad on the area when going to bed , that helps move the oil.

After pinning , take a HOT shower and massage the area to disperse the oil, what I do , !!!

Pin a smaller amount in different areas .

Hope this helps , good luck !!!

 

[Andrew0409]

I'm ok with some pip, but I just never heard primo can give you bad ones. I pin test suspension ok. Not pleasant but I can get through it. However, I do not want to spend a lot of money on primo, as you know it's not cheap and have it have the kind that is debilitating like I'm sure all of us have had it.


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[misterB]

Its typically a ph issue , a good brewer can make anything painless , drakon primo hurts like hell even for 100 mg, pay more for quality and even st 200 mg/ml its painless

 

[Theomega]

PIP is a very relative term............ below I'll give my thoughts on it.......

Pip is for one, very individual based. I have friends who can pin 2cc test propionate in the delt and be totally fine with it. Others it would cripple. It's all about how fast YOUR body dissipates the oil truly, and also your personal pain tolerance. Some people have a higher threshold to pain where as others do not....

Now, as far as shops making painless gear. I'd love to shine some light on that..... As many know, the "typical" solvents used are BA, and BB. These solvents have been used for decades in keeping oils suspended and rid of anything infectious. Other solvents such as EO can be used, and EO does help the muscle dissipate the oils quicker once the shot is administered. However, even with super solvents such as EO, some compounds will still carry pip in a sense. Pip also depends on how "heavy" the molecular structure is of the hormone, as well as the ester that it attached. methenolone ( primo ) has a more dense molecular structure, meaning pip will be associated with it. I know guys who have pinned human grade amps of primo and the pain was there for sure.

I've formulated primo at 100mg using only BA, and BB, as well as formulated 150mg primo using ba, bb, and EO, and the 150mg with EO added was much smoother.

With that being said......... I'm not a huge advocate of these super solvents. I try to use them as little as possible, and I list which of my items have EO on my list. I've read articles over the years and have talked to users first hand and many of them feel using oils with EO added for long periods of time, they say they noticed more scar tissue build up. Now is this proven scientificly, probably not but do your own research on it and see what you can dig up.

That is also why you will not see any base esters suspended in oils on my list. Not only are the regular solvents being used, they also most likely are using another solvent called guaiacol, which is a very gross, pungent solvent that almost smells like beef jerky. It has a very strong , distinct smell. Getting base esters to suspend in oil you are required to use or they simply would not stay suspended. That is my take on it. So , when you inject those into your body, take a minute to think about how much solvent your administering. I guarantee you, there is less than 10% carrier oil being used , its mostly solvent.

Now...... I'm in no way shape or form knocking anyone who uses these super solvents , as they do help with PIP. However, it's just not a practice I believe or will ever participate in.

Sorry for being so long winded, I just get very in depth on these subjects and a bit carried away. 🙂

 

[buffalohead]

You know my thoughts on UG primo so I do not speak from experience on this but I've not heard of primo causing pain unless, I guess, someone is predisposed to that kind of thing and gets PIP from anything. Personally, I never get PIP from any normal based oils, including prop.

 

[Torres]

I really do not understand why people complain so much about " PIP " when pinning gear . I said it before and I'll say it again. We are putting a foreign compound in our bodies, your body sees this and is going to fight it, OF COURSE it's going to hurt !!! If you can't take the heat, get the hell out the kitchen. Some that use anabolics want to get jacked, but
1) Don't wanna train hard, they want the anabolics to magically make them Jacked and strong.
2) Don't wanna eat right, they think the drugs will do it all and that diet has no play into this fitness thing.
3) They want to pump in anabolics without having any pain or discomfort whatsoever.
MAN PLEASE !!!
If that's what you want, go train at Planet Fagness , eat shit all day , and spend all that money at GNC, it'll prob do you better than anabolics will.
Stop being a pussy about PIP and start acting like a fucking man and train hard.
I used to pin this Oil , from a sponsor here which will remain unnamed, that used to give me so much hurt, my butt cheek was sore for like 3 days after I pinned. I used to have to sleep on one side, that's how much it hurt. But HEY , I knew that shit came with the territory, but I still trained hard and I got jacked. I didn't bitch and moan, I just did it .
So grow some balls guys, and if you don't like to hurt then go play video games and leave this shit for the real dudes!!!
Rant Over !!!

 

[Andrew0409]

I really do not understand why people complain so much about " PIP " when pinning gear . I said it before and I'll say it again. We are putting a foreign compound in our bodies, your body sees this and is going to fight it, OF COURSE it's going to hurt !!! If you can't take the heat, get the hell out the kitchen. Some that use anabolics want to get jacked, but
1) Don't wanna train hard, they want the anabolics to magically make them Jacked and strong.
2) Don't wanna eat right, they think the drugs will do it all and that diet has no play into this fitness thing.
3) They want to pump in anabolics without having any pain or discomfort whatsoever.
MAN PLEASE !!!
If that's what you want, go train at Planet Fagness , eat shit all day , and spend all that money at GNC, it'll prob do you better than anabolics will.
Stop being a pussy about PIP and start acting like a fucking man and train hard.
I used to pin this Oil , from a sponsor here which will remain unnamed, that used to give me so much hurt, my butt cheek was sore for like 3 days after I pinned. I used to have to sleep on one side, that's how much it hurt. But HEY , I knew that shit came with the territory, but I still trained hard and I got jacked. I didn't bitch and moan, I just did it .
So grow some balls guys, and if you don't like to hurt then go play video games and leave this shit for the real dudes!!!
Rant Over !!!

Ok tough guy. We're having a discussion about if primo has pip. I train through things with pip all the time like most people. We don't need to hear how bad ass you are and everyone else's a pussy. I'm just asking as i've never heard of primo having any pip. Some oils just don't have any besides feeling some slight soreness in the spot the day after. And yes, pip matters to most people, not because we can't get past it, but in most instances, the brewer can make one that has less or non. Why would I use a lab that gives me horrible pip when I can use one that makes the same exact thing that has almost none? And if you're a combat athlete, try taking a muay thai kick in the leg where you got bad pip.

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[Torres]

First off , my post wasn't meant for anybody in this thread BUD , so get that str8 , I'm talking in general where dudes wanna get all the benefits of using gear but don't want to go through the hardships . So if you thought it was meant towards you tough guy , it wasn't . You don't have to like my opinion , but it's my opinion. And yea if there's a compound that'll give me the same results without the hurt , then fuck yea I'm taking that. So disregard my rant if you thought I meant it towards you , was not my intention !

 

[Andrew0409]

First off , my post wasn't meant for anybody in this thread BUD , so get that str8 , I'm talking in general where dudes wanna get all the benefits of using gear but don't want to go through the hardships . So if you thought it was meant towards you tough guy , it wasn't . You don't have to like my opinion , but it's my opinion. And yea if there's a compound that'll give me the same results without the hurt , then fuck yea I'm taking that. So disregard my rant if you thought I meant it towards you , was not my intention !

Alright fair enough. It sounded like you were coming at me sideways. My bad if that's not your intention. But pip is def a concern of some people who are not just trying to pound out weights at the gym. I can't imagine pinning something in bad pip in my shoulders if I have to pitch the next day or something like that. So some people have real concerns about pip and how it can affect their athletic abilities.


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[Torres]

Absolutely , I've had PIP so bad I couldn't get into a car and bring it in the shop cuz my cheek hurt so much lol . My apologies again if you thought my post was towards you , it was s general statement . I don't disagree that PIP can mess you up especially if you pin into a muscle that's constantly moving

 

[Andrew0409]

Absolutely , I've had PIP so bad I couldn't get into a car and bring it in the shop cuz my cheek hurt so much lol . My apologies again if you thought my post was towards you , it was s general statement . I don't disagree that PIP can mess you up especially if you pin into a muscle that's constantly moving

All good bro. Sometimes it's hard to read what's someone's trying to say on the internet. No harm no foul. My bad for reacting badly.


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[misterB]

Power RX is by far the best, you wont find it without a reference , Zero pain Ever. and its 200 mg/ml
genesis also makes a painless (usually) 200mg/ml primo

neither of these is a vendor here anymore.

 

[Hanzo]

I've only used Bayer PrimoE, zero pip. Super smooth.

 

[Jinko]

I think PIP is often user error, but most people don't want to even consider they messed up. I've taken a shot it hurt like fuck. Then from the same bottle days later in the same muscle, but maybe 1/2" to left or right and had no issue. Sometimes yo hit a nerve.

Sure it can be compound, but don't forget to look in the mirror. And remember you shoved 1-1.5" piece of steel into your body. Good chance it might not feel to good.

 

[Andrew0409]

Is primo really thick for you guys? I'm struggling to push through it with a 25g.

 

[Musclemechanic76]

I have 100 mg per ml primo that is thick
I have 200 mg primo per ml that is thin made with EO.

When it's mixed in with test prop, mast prop I can tell when u get to primo it is hard push thru.!!!!

All of it every kind u ever used and even 4 brands on one run have all left a knot!!!

Right now with tren ace switched to cut primo is at 50mg ev day.
Before it was at 100 ev day

I have been pinning. 2-1/2 to 3ml of gear ev day since Aug and have 8 week cut NOW.

Primo leaves a knot. But not as bad with less like 50mg instead of 100mg.

I used 1 real primo that didn't leave a knot!!
Thiager Primo no knot!!!

Wanna try Remobolin I think by Bayer!!!

But I have 5 brands of primo in personal stock from 100-200 mg that are all legit and only the 200 EO preparation isnt thick

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