Starting T3/T4 for first time along with HGH

[Fonz]

I'm about to start 2iu/day hgh along with either T3 or T4, also will be running 500mg test c/wk. I have questions concerning the T3 and T4. I have 25 T3 tablets and a bottle of Liquid T4. I have never taken either one. I have taken stimulants such as ephedrine, clen and albuterol. I have done some research and will be doing more, but would like to hear it from someone who actually has experience with these compounds.

What are the side effects of T3/T4?
Should I do the T3 1st then switch to T4?
What are the typical doses for a first time user?
Do they give you energy and or keep you up at night like stimulants?
Does T3/T4 have any know interactions with other medications, I'm presently taking prednisone, codiene cough syrup, pro air inhaler and allegra for bronchospasms and allergy problems that hit last week.

Thanks for any assistance.

 

[Fonz]

Here's a nice write up on why to use T4 and not T3 while on HGH.

https://www.enhancegenetics.com/index.php/topic,2229.msg27055.html#msg27055

Anyone have experience with this?

 

[Tattz]

I'm about to start my first run with t3. The dosage can vary. If you want an anibolic effect or weight loss. I do know I would run it with an anibolic. T4 on the other hand, I would defiantly run with hgh

 

[24hreup]

Well ... i was a HEAVY T3 user before but had a thyroid storm on some ug ish and almost took the ticket ( 8 hours in ER) T3 is good stuff there is no doubt about that but this ish can be reAL fucken dangerous!... i dont want to scare you or anything mate just be sure to know what you are doing and get checks done, be safe is all im saying.

i would start out with 25 mcg / day and not go over 100/ really no need to.
depending on your goals i would say btwn 50-75 mcg day is a good spot.


side effects: you can feel cranky and anxiety can play a big part as well.
trouble sleeping, feeling irritated, muscle cramps and tics.

your temperature will increase. lethargic for some, carving for sugar and sweets( electrolyte imbalances)


cold and hot sweats + lots of dumping on the shitter.


T3 is very strong stuff

 

[TSizemore]

Do not run T3 with Gh. You need to run T4. you can run 200-400mcg daily. There aren't any real sides to speak of. The only time you run T3 is when you want to loose weight, in which case, you'll need to run an anabolic with it (as mentioned above) because T3 is a non discriminate burner. It needs fuel to work and doesn't care where that fuel comes from, i.e. muscle or fat!

 

[Fonz]

Thanks guys, for the feedback.

I was reading last night about T4 and to accurately dose it u should check your temperature each morning for three days. Then start with 50mcg for several days while checking ur temp. Each morning. When your temp. starts to drop for a couple of days then you increase to 100mcg and keep working up from there.

A lot of people also suggest as Tman did that 200 to 400 is a good mid range to dose at.

I've decided to start at 100mcg T4 while running the hgh and save the T3 for another time.

 

[24hreup]

Why are you running t4 for what purpose ?

 

[Fonz]

Why are you running t4 for what purpose ?

T4 and Hgh have a syngerestic effect when taken together. Check out this article:

https://www.enhancegenetics.com/index.php/topic,2229.msg27055.html#msg27055

 

[24hreup]

I was asking in general .. i myself never got anything out of t4

 

[Z82]

Anybody have any real life feedback about HGH and t4, with its synergistic effects? Been looking into this but I don't like messing with the thyroid. Kind of sucks to think your HGH is being wasted with out using t4.

 

[Walker]

I'm using 200mcg of Erik's T4 and 4 iu's GH from drakon every day. Thyroid is a robust organ and usually returns to normal after using T4. I'm using it to help me lean out for the summer. I really should still be bulking, but I'm chasing the elusive lean bulk... Night time is when I really get sides. Mostly sweating the pillow down. I go through 3 different pillows every night and my wife complains about having to do laundry constantly. Hope this helps some bro

W

 

[homegrown]

Get your bloodwork done before you go self prescribing thyroid hormones... You may not even need any with 2iu's and if you do its not going to be for a while..

 

[homegrown]

Why are you running t4 for what purpose ?

Don’t know if it was said on here yet but T4 is converted into T3, BUT the presence of growth hormone has the ability to change all of that. Changes in the normal levels of growth hormone in your body is regulated by somatostatin (decreases output) and GHRH (increases output). Oddly enough these same hormones ESPECIALLY somatostatin have the same effects on the thyroid. This is why so many growth hormone deficient people also have a sluggish thyroid. So much like when using testosterone, when you use HGH its telling your body it no longer needs to produce it so somatostatin is released to shut it down. This indirectly does the same to your thyroid since it contains the same hormones (somatostatin). Since T4 is converted to T3, this would illustrate why T4 needs to be used when using HGH.

 

[Walker]

Great explanation HG. Reps for this

 

[homegrown]

Great explanation HG. Reps for this

Thanks Walker...

 

[morrey]

Don’t know if it was said on here yet but T4 is converted into T3, BUT the presence of growth hormone has the ability to change all of that. Changes in the normal levels of growth hormone in your body is regulated by somatostatin (decreases output) and GHRH (increases output). Oddly enough these same hormones ESPECIALLY somatostatin have the same effects on the thyroid. This is why so many growth hormone deficient people also have a sluggish thyroid. So much like when using testosterone, when you use HGH its telling your body it no longer needs to produce it so somatostatin is released to shut it down. This indirectly does the same to your thyroid since it contains the same hormones (somatostatin). Since T4 is converted to T3, this would illustrate why T4 needs to be used when using HGH.

Why is t4 used instead of t3 as they act on the same tissues and t3 is the more active hormone?

 

[Hanzo]

One third of circulating T4 is converted to T3 in peripheral tissues. Both hormones are present in serum either bound to proteins or in the free state. You're right, t3 is much stronger than t4.

"Incomplete conversion of T4 to T3 can also lead to low thyroid symptoms. T4 receptors in the body have not yet been identified; therefore, T4 needs to be converted in the peripheral tissue to the more active thyroid hormone T3 in order to relieve low thyroid symptoms. T4 is converted into T3 by removing an iodine from the T4 molecule at the 5’ position [Source: Paoletti]. Factors such as nutritional deficiencies and medications can inhibit this conversion. Nutritional deficiencies such as iodine, iron, selenium, zinc, vitamin A, riboflavin, pyridoxine and B12, along with the use of certain medications including beta blockers, birth control pills, estrogen, iodinated contrast agents, lithium, phenytoin and theophylline can inhibit the conversion of T4 into T3. Other factors that can cause this inhibition include aging, alcohol, alpha-lipoic acid, diabetes, fluoride, lead, mercury, pesticides, radiation, stress and surgery [Source: Brownstein].

 

[morrey]

One third of circulating T4 is converted to T3 in peripheral tissues. Both hormones are present in serum either bound to proteins or in the free state. You're right, t3 is much stronger than t4.

"Incomplete conversion of T4 to T3 can also lead to low thyroid symptoms. T4 receptors in the body have not yet been identified; therefore, T4 needs to be converted in the peripheral tissue to the more active thyroid hormone T3 in order to relieve low thyroid symptoms. T4 is converted into T3 by removing an iodine from the T4 molecule at the 5’ position [Source: Paoletti]. Factors such as nutritional deficiencies and medications can inhibit this conversion. Nutritional deficiencies such as iodine, iron, selenium, zinc, vitamin A, riboflavin, pyridoxine and B12, along with the use of certain medications including beta blockers, birth control pills, estrogen, iodinated contrast agents, lithium, phenytoin and theophylline can inhibit the conversion of T4 into T3. Other factors that can cause this inhibition include aging, alcohol, alpha-lipoic acid, diabetes, fluoride, lead, mercury, pesticides, radiation, stress and surgery [Source: Brownstein].

Yes. So are you also asking why t4? t3 would make more sense. Cut out the need for conversion