The economy. Middle class are screwed.

[CB1]

We had this talk at work today. Wonder how you guys feel. I am thankful that when the economy tanked I continued to work when many were layed off. I have a good job in construction/service,repair. I have had the same job almost 14yrs. When I got this job I thought I had it made but honestly I am still falling behind for the last couple of years.
It seems like the cost of normal living has far surpassed a normal income. Everything is so expensive you cant afford to do anything. I used to take vacations. Not in the last 4yrs. Me and wife drive beater cars that are paid for. We do not have cable or satelite tv. We have cut out everything. We have 4 kids and man is it hard.

 

[mig139]

There is no middle class anymore! you even have money or you are two paychecks away from been homeless!

 

[smoove]

THAT'S HOW THE GOV WANTS IT...............RICH OR POOR. I either read a post on here or heard it on talk radio but the average income rise for the middle class was something like 10-12% while the rise for wealthy was over 50%. Don't quote me on that but the point was taken. The rich will control and the poor will rely on the gov for everything. So what do we do?? We supplement by selling steroids of course!

 

[Vino 1]

I think I'm tired of the damn Govt taxing the shit outta my paychecks so that other people can have free shit. The welfare state lives off of me and you. But that's how the Govt wants it. Also, they take a very large sum of money from me evey week and yet here we are in debt to our ears. Why? If I ran my household like the Govt runs theirs I'd be broke, homeless, or in jail. And one more thing, if I needed the Govt to provide me with healthcare and shit I'd have asked for it. Fuck em

 

[Kuntrykok]

Well said Vino.

 

[lith56bigguy]

whew should've at least got a cup of coffee in me before I read this. This aggravates the hell out of me. I used to be perfectly fine with being a middle class worker now however I feel kicked in the teeth as well.

 

[superbee]

More and more people depending on the government. Food stamps, Medicaid, Cash Assistance. This is how you control people. Now is the government intentionally doing this? who fucking knows, but I think its a prelude to the fall of America. We Americans never want to change anything until its staring at us in the face. I think we have a huge awakening coming

 

[GRIM]

You have to remember MANY get this shit cause of corporations paying shit.

The system is abused and used by people of all financial spectrums..

 

[JM750]

What is sad is the poor people (cause there are no middle class now) are flipping the fucking bill for everything. I'm tired of it. I hate this country.

 

[Wacker]

I'm on the fence with this...I believe that I personally have a responsibility to help those that need it. That does not mean that I want to support them but I really don't mind paying my dues. When I think of the 1000's of men and women who sacrifice their life for me to have what I have today and don't know me or my family a few dollars out of my check don't seem so bad.
What I do get sick of is the hard right telling people that if they raise taxes on corpRations or the wealthy it will slow growth. BULLSHIT!!! Plane and Simple Bullshit middle Americans buy into.
When we make a decision to invest in a project or development taxes are never a question as to weather or not the job will move forward-NEVER
In fact if our company had to pay more and the owners made less it would spark more growth not less. Greed my friends...get it? Our owners will produce more development until they are receiving the same amount of cash per year. They are not going to stop us from working because they hit a higher tax bracket!!
In the last four years we have tripled the amount of work we do, I laid not one person off, gave 10% annual raises for the last 3 years, and by the way for the first time in ten years our healthcare did not increase.
Sorry I went on a bit of a rant hope it makes sense!

 

[GRIM]

I'm on the fence with this...I believe that I personally have a responsibility to help those that need it. That does not mean that I want to support them but I really don't mind paying my dues. When I think of the 1000's of men and women who sacrifice their life for me to have what I have today and don't know me or my family a few dollars out of my check don't seem so bad.
What I do get sick of is the hard right telling people that if they raise taxes on corpRations or the wealthy it will slow growth. BULLSHIT!!! Plane and Simple Bullshit middle Americans buy into.
When we make a decision to invest in a project or development taxes are never a question as to weather or not the job will move forward-NEVER
In fact if our company had to pay more and the owners made less it would spark more growth not less. Greed my friends...get it? Our owners will produce more development until they are receiving the same amount of cash per year. They are not going to stop us from working because they hit a higher tax bracket!!
In the last four years we have tripled the amount of work we do, I laid not one person off, gave 10% annual raises for the last 3 years, and by the way for the first time in ten years our healthcare did not increase.
Sorry I went on a bit of a rant hope it makes sense!

agreed..
supply and demand determines if a business expands.
Not if they get 1% extra taxes.
This is simple economics.

 

[Wacker]

agreed..
supply and demand determines if a business expands.
Not if they get 1% extra taxes.
This is simple economics.

It's very basic Grim I just don't see how so many people don't get it? Even my own mother fucking drives me crazy! Votes for the guys that want to give shit away to corp's and tax her ass she just doesn't get it?

 

[GRIM]

It's very basic Grim I just don't see how so many people don't get it? Even my own mother fucking drives me crazy! Votes for the guys that want to give shit away to corp's and tax her ass she just doesn't get it?

well both sides lie through their asses.
but the right has many believing the other side is just lazy people who live off the state.
they use 'facts' that are designed in pure fiction and people gobble it up.
i wish both sides would die tbh.
Have a stance, but don't base it off pure fiction and a closed mind, you know?

 

[Vino 1]

Yes Wacker and if they only took a FEW dollars out of my paycheck id be ok but I'll give u an example: I worked 64 hours last week busting my ass. They taxed me $800 dollars. That's ONE WEEK MAN. And that's my OVERTIME that I put in. Every week of every month they do this. I'm fed up with it. I don't mind paying my dues either but damn man really?

 

[Vino 1]

And yes they're all liars just trying to stay in office but we have to be careful about giving the government more power and more of our money. It's gotten ridiculous

 

[JM750]

Yes Wacker and if they only took a FEW dollars out of my paycheck id be ok but I'll give u an example: I worked 64 hours last week busting my ass. They taxed me $800 dollars. That's ONE WEEK MAN. And that's my OVERTIME that I put in. Every week of every month they do this. I'm fed up with it. I don't mind paying my dues either but damn man really?

I dont blame you. Thats a lot of cabbage. And if you didn't work the o/t, they wouldn't have got it. So WTF? Greedy cock suckers. I said it before, shoot them all and throw them in a landfill.

 

[Wacker]

Yes Wacker and if they only took a FEW dollars out of my paycheck id be ok but I'll give u an example: I worked 64 hours last week busting my ass. They taxed me $800 dollars. That's ONE WEEK MAN. And that's my OVERTIME that I put in. Every week of every month they do this. I'm fed up with it. I don't mind paying my dues either but damn man really?

Vino I'm with you it's out of control...my point I wanted to make is that a lot of the taxes you pay should be shifted to the corporations and wealthy.

I think both sides are crazy I was a registered republican for 20 yrs now I'm independent I seek truth not bullshit. I like all of you have kids and everything that goes with it. Accourding to some asshole somewhere I'm suppose to be upper class but find us living check to check more often than not. At the same time the owners of the company I work for have million dollar homes in several states, when he wants to go fishing he gets on a 72' custom boat. Which is all great but don't tell me that these fat bastards can't pay more. Mother fucker gets to write off a jet he pays for just because he needs a tax right off. How about pay for my kids college-

 

[Wacker]

Yes Wacker and if they only took a FEW dollars out of my paycheck id be ok but I'll give u an example: I worked 64 hours last week busting my ass. They taxed me $800 dollars. That's ONE WEEK MAN. And that's my OVERTIME that I put in. Every week of every month they do this. I'm fed up with it. I don't mind paying my dues either but damn man really?

Vino I'm with you it's out of control...my point I wanted to make is that a lot of the taxes you pay should be shifted to the corporations and wealthy.

I think both sides are crazy I was a registered republican for 20 yrs now I'm independent I seek truth not bullshit. I like all of you have kids and everything that goes with it. Accourding to some asshole somewhere I'm suppose to be upper class but find us living check to check more often than not. At the same time the owners of the company I work for have million dollar homes in several states, when he wants to go fishing he gets on a 72' custom boat. Which is all great but don't tell me that these fat bastards can't pay more. Mother fucker gets to write off a jet he pays for just because he needs a tax right off. How about pay for my kids college-

 

[GRIM]

And yes they're all liars just trying to stay in office but we have to be careful about giving the government more power and more of our money. It's gotten ridiculous

yup, but even the right who cries against big government is busy legislating morality among others.

 

[Vino 1]

I agree Wacker. I'm not a republican either. capitalism is better than socialism. They're has to be rich, middle class, and poor. We can't artificially create middle class people out of poor people by giving out entitlements to bring them up. I was raised poor, had a rough childhood, but I worked hard and got myself a better life by it. So yes there is always room for improvement and I am more than willing to help the needy.