9/11 Firefighter Blows WTC 7 Cover-Up Wide Open

[F.I.S.T.]

Fist you can't be serious. I actually fact check from all sources and sides. Not relying on a bunch of bs bookmarked sites

You obviously do not..Which expert is insane?? Im still waiting.

 

[F.I.S.T.]

Here are more "insane" experts Grim.........

https://youtu.be/4Nmj6t51Wz8

 

[GRIM]

You obviously do not..Which expert is insane?? Im still waiting.

Wow my god. The expert from the infowars!! I've said it numerous times!
I actually do fist. You are a one stop conspiracy theorist.
BTW I actually believed it was an inside job, problem is that facts do not show it unless you want them to.
You're like that with everything wanting so bad to believe you pick and choose.
There are so many debunking of these myths fist. Try wanting facts for a change over conspiracy.
Just one link of countless.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a6384/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center/

You can find an expert to claim the world is flat if you want. Doesn't make it true.

 

[F.I.S.T.]

Wow my god. The expert from the infowars!! I've said it numerous times!
I actually do fist. You are a one stop conspiracy theorist.
BTW I actually believed it was an inside job, problem is that facts do not show it unless you want them to.
You're like that with everything wanting so bad to believe you pick and choose.
There are so many debunking of these myths fist. Try wanting facts for a change over conspiracy.
Just one link of countless.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a6384/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center/

You can find an expert to claim the world is flat if you want. Doesn't make it true.

Unfortunately you have not stated any fact to prove your insane theories.Once again you try to distract from the facts of the experts in the videos by screaming "conspiracy theorist" Thats cute,but doesnt change the facts of those testifying.When you show me your credentials that you know more than them,I may start to consider what youre saying.Until then its just clueless beliefs in b/s that is fed to you.

The ONE interview done by info wars of a 32yr veteran of the fire dept you keep speaking of as if its proving your point when instead it just squashes it further.When you know more than that fireman,speak up.

Secondly,the other 2 links have countless experts in every field relevant to this debunking your uninformed belief yet you continue to cry insane but have yet to state which one is insane.

You see the difference is,I actually like to educate myself on ALL relevant facts of any given situation.Unlike you who obviously does not.Whenever someone cant disprove what an expert says,they resort to "conspiracy theorist" screaming.LMAO.

 

[F.I.S.T.]

I'll wait for you to prove which expert in any of the videos ive posted are insane.Until then,its all just senseless name calling with nothing to back it up.

 

[GRIM]

I actually posted a link and your one video actually proves you wrong. You are using conspiracy nuts as your proof as always.

Too bad I research. The guy you linked to claiming he backs you.


He states
64,000 question:

What caused the initial floor collapse?

Although some researchers apparently find it difficult to accept, I believe the answer to
this question is essentially quite simple:

The initial floor collapse occurred due to the aircraft impact damage
and the resulting eccentric loading of the core columns.


Hmmm doesn't look to be backing you. Fact is you can find conspiracy nuts on any topic which you constantly do
https://archive.org/stream/WTC-REPORT-GREENING/WTC-REPORT-GREENING_djvu.txt

Wow a link showing your expert doesn't agree with you. A link popular mechanics debunks you.

But you have 2 YouTube vids one being from infowars. This is just beyond comical that you can believe this shit and be so close minded to believe everything you want just as long as you get a link, even if 99% of true experts disagree.

Arguing with you is really no point.

 

[GRIM]

I'm not going to argue on this as there is no point. False flaggers believe the school shootings and Boston Marathon didn't happen. Infowars had experts on that as well...there are false flaggers everywhere.

Could there be some truth to damage of the buildings beyond what the planes did, could there be minute details of course.

But to think somehow someone was able to wire up the buildings for a controlled explosion is laughable.

I hated bush and wanted to believe our crooked government was in on it. Unfortunately unless you see a conspiracy in everything the vast majority of experts disagree. I'd hardly call a fire fighter an expert on the situation, that's like saying a farmer is a biologist. Especially one throwing false flag in his statements.

Fist you seriously need to do checking beyond wanting to believe.

 

[GRIM]

OK I just watched some of your video #3
So we have vid #1 infowars no real expert or startling.
#2 guy actually confirms government theory. Maybe you linked to wrong one. Even showed you text of the guy.
Video #3 sounds mainly like confusion. Of course the building was more than fire, it was fucked up from towers #1 and #2. Support beans bent, who knows.
But even those who were there are fumbling over their words. It's obvious confusion on all sides and not cases love grabbing hold of that shit.

I actually research. I don't go out with an agenda.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2056088/Footage-kills-conspiracy-theories-Rare-footage-shows-WTC-7-consumed-fire.html

Even states government stance is more than just fire. But the experts being interviewed are about fire alone that I watched..
http://mobile.dudamobile.com/site/debunking911?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.debunking911.com%2Findex.html&utm_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.debunking911.com%2Fmoltensteel.htm#2659

 

[Hogslayer]

Grim You have to read the 9/11 Commission report

 

[GRIM]

Grim You have to read the 9/11 Commission report

I have. Missteps and confusion on all end is what conspiracy theorists love. They latch onto even when info is updated.

Trust me I feel more is there, I personally want to believe more is there
The facts however say otherwise. Is there in the background? Very well could be.

But this false flag crap is just that crap. From claiming the owner gained billions, he actually lost money. 4000 Jews didn't report to work, wasn't an accurate # it was estimated on no proof. But this shit is still repeated til this day.

When it first happened I wanted to believe this crap, but actual facts say otherwise.

You can get experts on any subject to agree with you, that's not hard. Or twist the question, take sound bites etc. It's what the truther movement does..

 

[F.I.S.T.]

Grim,your entire argument is nonsensical ramblings based not on one bit of facts or evidence.You in fact contradict yourself in fact.In one breath you call these experts disproving the official report time and again on everything they've stated,(without ever showing any rebuttal to their testimony) nor have you yet to actually name whom you thing is INSANE (Im still waiting) then in the next breath you say how you believe it was an inside job?? HUH?? Since noone testifying is sane,where did you come up with that opinion?? I guess its from your extensive firsthand research??LMAO.

Here's another link with excerpts from the experts in the fields that contains many more experts (or insane people as you like to call them) which just further proves how clueless your non factual based opinions are.........

And why didn’t NIST address what these experts say?:

The former head of the Fire Science Division of the government agency which claims that the World Trade Centers collapsed due to fire (the National Institute of Standards and Technology), who is one of the world’s leading fire science researchers and safety engineers, a Ph.D. in mechanical engineering (Dr. James Quintiere), called for an independent review of the World Trade Center Twin Tower collapse investigation. “I wish that there would be a peer review of this,” he said, referring to the NIST investigation. “I think all the records that NIST has assembled should be archived. I would really like to see someone else take a look at what they’ve done; both structurally and from a fire point of view. … I think the official conclusion that NIST arrived at is questionable.

Two professors of structural engineering at a prestigious Swiss university (Dr. Joerg Schneider and Dr. Hugo Bachmann) said that, on 9/11, World Trade Center 7 was brought down by controlled demolition (translation here ).

Kamal S. Obeid, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Berkeley, of Fremont, California, says :

“Photos of the steel, evidence about how the buildings collapsed, the unexplainable collapse of WTC 7, evidence of thermite in the debris as well as several other red flags, are quite troubling indications of well planned and controlled demolition”

Ronald H. Brookman, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Davis, of Novato California, writes :

“Why would all 47 stories of WTC 7 fall straight down to the ground in about seven seconds… ? It was not struck by any aircraft or engulfed in any fire. An independent investigation is justified for all three collapses including the surviving steel samples and the composition of the dust.”

Graham John Inman, structural engineer, of London, England, points out :

“WTC 7 Building could not have collapsed as a result of internal fire and external debris. NO plane hit this building. This is the only case of a steel frame building collapsing through fire in the world. The fire on this building was small & localized therefore what is the cause?”

A Dutch demolition expert (Danny Jowenko) stated that WTC 7 was imploded

A prominent physicist with 33 years of service for the Naval Research Laboratory in Washington, DC (Dr. David L. Griscom) said that the official theory for why the Twin Towers and world trade center building 7 collapsed “does not match the available facts” and supports the theory that the buildings were brought down by controlled demolition

Source URL: http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/08/debunking-nists-conclusions-about-wtc-7.html


You obviously have more knowledge than these guys.LMAO.Stay clueless my friend.

 

[F.I.S.T.]

You see the difference between you and I is I dont want to believe in things.I listen to oall sides of things and try to gather as much info from both as I can.But I also take the testimony from people who have far greater knowledge of these things than I do,and also those that were actually there to see and hear it firsthand.I take their testimony and wait to see it proven wrong.Until then,words to the contrary mean nothing.

I don't lower myself to calling them insane when they obviously have been regarded as the top minds in their fields.You crying conspiracy theorist and stating how info wars is not credible is meaningless.Whom they interview is 100% relevant.Infowars did not do the testimony,the 32yr expert on the scene did.Secondly all the scientists,chemists,metallurgists,etc in the second video testified as well stating just how IMPOSSIBLE the official report to be.

Please,post up any proof that what ANY of these experts say to be wrong.

The days of screaming communist are done long ago man.Wake p and actually read the research from those in the know.Not what you WANT to believe based on nothing of relevance.

 

[GRIM]

I'm not even going to read that drivel.
Your own expert you point to disagrees with you.
You have no argument but being a copy and paste king
BTW many of those experts have retracted saying they were misquoted.
You are truly willing to believe. Anything and not fact check beyond your crock pot stances

 

[GRIM]

I have posted numerous articles are you thick?
No the difference is I fact check you don't.
I even fact checked your own understanding of class expert who does NOT agree with you.
My god its like arguing with a 2 year old

 

[GRIM]

Ghee a retraction yet the NUTS still use it.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a6384/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center/


Demolition expert Romero regrets that his comments to the Albuquerque Journal became fodder for conspiracy theorists. "I was misquoted in saying that I thought it was explosives that brought down the building," he tells PM. "I only said that that's what it looked like."

Romero, who agrees with the scientific conclusion that fire triggered the collapses, demanded a retraction from the Journal.

See I actually fact check statements. I don't see a statement and think wow that backs me up score! That is exactly what you do fist. Pick and choose what you consider is an expert

 

[F.I.S.T.]

Still waiting on the names of the insane?? Which ones with your wisdom on the subject are you disagreeing with??

 

[GRIM]

Fist clueless? Yet other experts disagree, numerous retracted
I'd wager my intelligence against yours any time.
You are the clueless one. Hardly anyone believes the truther movement anymore as its been debunked over and over.
Seriously wake the fuck up

 

[GRIM]

Still waiting on the names of the insane?? Which ones with your wisdom on the subject are you disagreeing with??

Wow i told you numerous times. You are being beyond childish

 

[GRIM]

Love how you ignore when proven wrong. Acting like you aren't. While I actually research..shows character 'heavy sarcasm'

 

[F.I.S.T.]

Fist clueless? Yet other experts disagree, numerous retracted
I'd wager my intelligence against yours any time.
You are the clueless one. Hardly anyone believes the truther movement anymore as its been debunked over and over.
Seriously wake the fuck up

You're intelligence over mine has already been disproved by your posting in this friend man.

Im fully awake,while you remain clueless.Keep contradicting yourself and name calling.Your intelligence has of course been proven.LOL

Tell you what,i'll cease.You've proven nothing,you've shown nothing and have been proven meaningless in your opinions over and over.So i'll just step away and let you remain with this to stew in.You're wrong,your clueless and you accept that so I will as well.