Buddy of mine wants to go to the dark side

[SoCal]

I have a buddy who wants to take the plunge.

He's never done any AAS or prohormones... nada...

I was thinking of telling him to just run a long Acting Test (like cyp or enenthat) @ 500mg weekly for 12 weeks...

what's your thoughts for a first cycle? He's looking to add size/mass - says he's already feeling strong

 

[LittleTom]

If he has his diet and training down and he really wants to, tell him to go for it. I guess unless he is pretty young.. than its a much more difficult question. As far as what to do for a cycle, I would tell him a test c or e and kick it off with something. I was a bit underwhelmed with my first test only cycle. Throw some dbol in there the first few weeks. I know some might say test only but I say fuck that. That's my 2 cents. Of coarse make sure he knows how to run an AI and pct and all the other shitty stuff that goes with the fun stuff.

 

[Hanzo]

Test E and DBol. Maybe Deca instead of DBol if he can get used to pinning. Tell him we have cookies on the dark side also.

TestE 500 sounds good.

 

[Vino 1]

Yep I'm with these guys. Test E or C, 500mg and Dbol or anadrol. Along with proper AI and shit

 

[LBORRACHITO]

I also agree with test c or e with dbol. I wouldn't recommend deca for his first time.

 

[Akhusker]

I just say test e only. If he has issues with running multiple compounds then he won't know which one is causing the problem. I ran my first cycle Just test e a few years ago and it was all I needed. For the first time your body will do a lot of changes and I personally don't think you would want to jump start with anything, let the test do its work the first cycle then start adding after. There isn't any rush to start mixing it up. This is just my opinion.

 

[lith56bigguy]

just test E and d-bol, he's not going to understand why he stuck a pin in his ass and it didn't magically blow him up lol, thats where the d-bol will help the newb till the testkicks in. We've all been here lol set him right up on an ai, and plan pct for him. let him go through it etc. If he learns more and decides to cruise lol etc, in future cycles its up to him then. Set him up as correctly and safely as you can

 

[GRIM]

def long ester with an oral to jump if he wishes.
Diet and training key though!

 

[ElChango]

You should get him on Test E and tren e.

 

[GRIM]

You should get him on Test E and tren e.

NOOB!

 

[flyingfox]

If you ain't running a gram or more.....it's just TRT! JK
400 mg of Cyp or enan is a great start. But I would advise him to walk in the light......

 

[slimpickings]

I agree with everyone else on this. But I think it is very important to do a lot of research on the compounds he will be using. Not to just take something because that what I was told to take. Self education on these matters will keep you far ahead of the other noobs. Just make sure he knows this is serious business and bad shit can happen if mismanagement occurs. 😉

 

[Wacker]

I'm not the most conservative usually but think test only is a good first cycle. Mismanaged AI's and Dbol almost always = gyno...let him get used to pining and following a cycle protocol before adding compounds. Unless he is on point with diet and training most of the gains he gets from Dbol will be lost as soon as he starts pct anyway.

Just a thought, Maybe some var or Tbol something that's easier to manage sides with? Or kick start his cycle with some test pp...

 

[Blueedge]

Testosterone and dbol do two different things in the body, And work well together.
Test e cycle alone for a noob ie isn't giving them the best results if u ask me..
Many here said I was misguided in having enroute30 use t600 and tne/dbol but he packed on a solid lean 27 lbs in 12 weeks and has kept it....I know he was on point with training before the gear and he followed diet I outlined...but personally I think k any first time user should use long test with and oral like /dbol /tbol or var depending on their goal and whether they want to bulk/lean bulk
Starting point being
500 - 750mcg of test a week
Oral being 50 mg ed
We all know first time users can get big gains if the diet and training is good..but I think a simple 500 or less of test with no oral is a waste of money.

 

[Blueedge]

I think also as far as being concerned about sides and not knowing what caused them...test and dbol/tbol/var have very different sides ...now test and tren can both give u sore nips and gyno so they would be an issue for a first time user not knowing what's causing the side..

 

[24hreup]

test p + an oral.... if he dont like it he can always stop thats the thing with short esters. why whould he wait for a long ester to kick in??

 

[TSizemore]

test p + an oral.... if he dont like it he can always stop thats the thing with short esters. why whould he wait for a long ester to kick in??

Bump^^^^^
Kept waiting for somebody to say this, so it wouldn't have to be me! This is good advice right here!

 

[Blueedge]

Bump^^^^^
Kept waiting for somebody to say this, so it wouldn't have to be me! This is good advice right here!

Yea but I haven't met a single first time user that's ready to pinned ed or eod...... (-;
And why is everyone so worried about them having sides..that's what adex, clomid, caber ect were made for...a first time user needs a very good talk do they know how to use what to watch for and how to prevent sides..I would never give someone roids amd send them off and running..I always inform them as much as I can and monitor them the entire run..it's irresponsible to let a friend or buyer to kick off a cycle blindly... Some ass hole did that to me first cycle...sold me gear and no info other than 2 shots a week and I got gyno (-;

 

[Blueedge]

Please if your friend dives in what ever he does advise him how to properly use and what to look for..Also be sure he buys an entire cycle with support and pct....

 

[Akhusker]

Testosterone and dbol do two different things in the body, And work well together.
Test e cycle alone for a noob ie isn't giving them the best results if u ask me..
Many here said I was misguided in having enroute30 use t600 and tne/dbol but he packed on a solid lean 27 lbs in 12 weeks and has kept it....I know he was on point with training before the gear and he followed diet I outlined...but personally I think k any first time user should use long test with and oral like /dbol /tbol or var depending on their goal and whether they want to bulk/lean bulk
Starting point being
500 - 750mcg of test a week
Oral being 50 mg ed
We all know first time users can get big gains if the diet and training is good..but I think a simple 500 or less of test with no oral is a waste of money.

Probably varies on the person, my first cycle was 500mg test e a week for only 8 week and I gain 40 pounds of sheer mass, definitely not a waste of money. It will, like you said, vary on diet and training, doesn't matter what you run if those two aren't on point then your wasting your money regardless of what your taking.