Buddy of mine wants to go to the dark side

[Wacker]

Yea but I haven't met a single first time user that's ready to pinned ed or eod...... (-;
And why is everyone so worried about them having sides..that's what adex, clomid, caber ect were made for...a first time user needs a very good talk do they know how to use what to watch for and how to prevent sides..I would never give someone roids amd send them off and running..I always inform them as much as I can and monitor them the entire run..it's irresponsible to let a friend or buyer to kick off a cycle blindly... Some ass hole did that to me first cycle...sold me gear and no info other than 2 shots a week and I got gyno (-;

I agree with a oral just not Dbol...for this guy it is the hardest compound for me to control estrogen. Not that it can't be but some guys like me have issues with it. I have to take at least 10mgs a day of nolva or my nips and back zits go crazy. For me I would do var or Tbol.
My first cycle was test e at 700mg wk for 15 wks I gained 15 pounds and kept it.

Jmo for what it's worth.

 

[TSizemore]

Yea but I haven't met a single first time user that's ready to pinned ed or eod...... (-;
And why is everyone so worried about them having sides..that's what adex, clomid, caber ect were made for...a first time user needs a very good talk do they know how to use what to watch for and how to prevent sides..I would never give someone roids amd send them off and running..I always inform them as much as I can and monitor them the entire run..it's irresponsible to let a friend or buyer to kick off a cycle blindly... Some ass hole did that to me first cycle...sold me gear and no info other than 2 shots a week and I got gyno (-;

You've met me........Pinning Short Esters since the beginning!!! ........and we should be worried about having sides, you and I know what to look for and what to expect. First timer doesn't know how to notice them. He doesn't know how his body is going to react to the gear at all, frankly. The idea behind the short esters, is if he has any kind of adverse reaction, he can stop pinning and in less than a week he's good to go. With Long esters it will takes weeks for the sides to show, and weeks for them to dissipate.

I've seen how you worked with ER,....never once was I worried about you abandoning him. Kudos for diligence, B!

 

[RockShawn]

I like the idea of short esters for safety and I might even say test phenyl prop to reduce some possible pip still short enough to get off quick but can pin e3d.

I'd keep the mg's low too. With the e3d pinning that's about 250mg per week (per se) of TPP100. A fresh guy can gain a ton on low exogenous test.

I've got contest guys here that I supply who are young and all they take is prop all the way to show and they look great.

 

[LittleTom]

Lots of good and different opinions. Now your friend just has to pick the one that fits him best. Just goes to show how different we all are. No one answer is the right answer. I have been given a lot of good advice that is backed up with sound logic and it just doesn't work for me but works great for another. Give your buddy all these options and let him choose.

 

[Hanzo]

I like the idea of short esters for safety and I might even say test phenyl prop to reduce some possible pip still short enough to get off quick but can pin e3d.

I'd keep the mg's low too. With the e3d pinning that's about 250mg per week (per se) of TPP100. A fresh guy can gain a ton on low exogenous test.

I've got contest guys here that I supply who are young and all they take is prop all the way to show and they look great.

Yeah, but e3d for TPP or TP for that matter, is on the outside edge of peak half life.

 

[Blueedge]

I certainly understand using short ester so you can get out quick if need be but if a guy does notice sides why not treat them instead of dropping the cycle? I use tren ace only cause I'm prone to sides from it and If they get to Fuad I drop it off. But I keep running cycle. Say if he used test p and var , and got sore nips wouldn't a bump up in aromasin far a few days be better option than bailing on the cycle? Ideally if the subject is running his AI correctly and using low dose test p I highly doubt he will have any sides..
I'm sure it varies greatly person but if I use test p only I struggle to keep from converting at doses around 75-100ed. BUT I can use test e at 1200mg a week and not use AI and don't have hardly any issues with flare ups...wierd to me but if tried it several times same result.
Maybe a low dose test e as you guys suggests 400mg a week and var would greatly diminish the possible side effects ?

 

[SoCal]

Walk in the light? what do you mean?

If you ain't running a gram or more.....it's just TRT! JK
400 mg of Cyp or enan is a great start. But I would advise him to walk in the light......

 

[SoCal]

I plan to monitor/help him the entire way through - ya no one should just say here's what you need and good luck... not ethical.

Yea but I haven't met a single first time user that's ready to pinned ed or eod...... (-;
And why is everyone so worried about them having sides..that's what adex, clomid, caber ect were made for...a first time user needs a very good talk do they know how to use what to watch for and how to prevent sides..I would never give someone roids amd send them off and running..I always inform them as much as I can and monitor them the entire run..it's irresponsible to let a friend or buyer to kick off a cycle blindly... Some ass hole did that to me first cycle...sold me gear and no info other than 2 shots a week and I got gyno (-;

 

[flyingfox]

Walk in the light? what do you mean?

Not to get to weird on you but we all make choices everyday that affect our futures.....say you have two paths, one light where you can see everything clearly and the other dark. If you chose to walk down the dark path you only have yourself to blame if things go wrong. Most guys who try anabolic ...and this is just my opinion....become regular users. It's a hard thing to give up is what I'm saying.

 

[24hreup]

Yea but I haven't met a single first time user that's ready to pinned ed or eod...... (-;
And why is everyone so worried about them having sides..that's what adex, clomid, caber ect were made for...a first time user needs a very good talk do they know how to use what to watch for and how to prevent sides..I would never give someone roids amd send them off and running..I always inform them as much as I can and monitor them the entire run..it's irresponsible to let a friend or buyer to kick off a cycle blindly... Some ass hole did that to me first cycle...sold me gear and no info other than 2 shots a week and I got gyno (-;

.. i agree on the talk but as i wrote before why wait for a long ester to kick in? short esters is the bidnezz and so easy to control its not only the physical changes im talking bout the mental as well you dont know how you react to homones if you havent had them in your system before.The thing with the needles and pin frequently its just a thing that goes hand in hand with gear you have to accept that when you want to use and better sooner than later... 🙂 and just for the record they still freak me out from time to time lol

my vote goes to:

test suspension
test p
an oral depending on goal

 

[24hreup]

If interested I offer to send him a pack of testolic for free so he knows what real pharma gear feels like!

 

[TSizemore]

Nice move 24hr!

 

[Wacker]

If interested I offer to send him a pack of testolic for free so he knows what real pharma gear feels like!

What I'm I chopped liver ???