Finally someone tells the truth!

[49ER]

Rich left Mutant it's time people realize we've been ripped off for years honestly you think pros drink this crap? Only supps that have value are vitamins fish oil ect... i know many will argue "bcaas" Arnold days they didn't drink no dam bcaas lol get that shit from food. There's only 2 brands protein i trust and use once in awhile i stick to egg whites all day!
Watch "LIFESTYLE OF 5%ERS - RICH PIANA'S MISSION" on YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruOk_xG2eN8&feature=youtube_gdata_player




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[GRIM]

of course real food is best.
The problem is people who DEPEND on supplements.
Supplements in themselves are not bad...within reason..

 

[GRIM]

but i find this guy less than genuine, he's all over the place..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_rb0FMJ3E4

hmmm he's drinking a lot of shakes here..

 

[49ER]

but i find this guy less than genuine, he's all over the place..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_rb0FMJ3E4

hmmm he's drinking a lot of shakes here..

GRIM Ya no doubt i didn't watch it yet but i bet it's rich downing a bunch of shakes. All famous bodybuilders are lying fucks it comes with the territory that's how they get paid selling a bunch of useless crap. I drink protein in moderation i only trust ON products and all max they use good quality ingredients. But all that creatine nitro this and that weight gainers imo is garbage it's not regulated and who knows what's in it. I'm glad Rich switched it up stop lying about his Mutant shake diet young kids believe that shit i know i did.

 

[GRIM]

just lost all respect for him actually..
no protein powders hey?
http://www.iammutant.com/products/mutantwhey.php
he's all over youtube with protein powders
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc7uJ-22bwQ just yet another

 

[GRIM]

Ya no doubt i didn't watch it yet but i bet it's rich downing a bunch of shakes. All famous bodybuilders are lying fucks it comes with the territory that's how they get paid selling a bunch of useless crap. I drink protein in moderation i only trust ON products and all max they use good quality ingredients. But all that creatine nitro this and that weight gainers imo is garbage it's not regulated and who knows what's in it. I'm glad Rich switched it up stop lying about his Mutant shake diet young kids believe that shit i know i did.

49ERtotally agree with ya...

 

[ajdonutz]

of course real food is best.
The problem is people who DEPEND on supplements.
Supplements in themselves are not bad...within reason..

GRIM^^this right here. Bcaas definitely can be useful in recovery. Other NO related supps are excellent for vascularity. Looks how freaky veiny people are now from HGH, nutrient timing, and also NO manipulation. They also didn't have HGH back in the golden era, but no one is going to say its useless lol. Many of these supps have their place, a lot are overpriced garbage, but not all. But supps don't do all the work themselves, and diet is DEFINITELY more important. Rich piana is an odd dude, he uses obscure methods for all things he does pretty much. Hes huge, has great genes, and a solid physique, but most guys can't listen and follow in his foot steps and expect good things.

 

[inhuman88]

Pretty much all supps are a scam. Bcaas, glutamine, arginine..all trash, just another way to get you to part with your money

 

[49ER]

^^this right here. Bcaas definitely can be useful in recovery. Other NO related supps are excellent for vascularity. Looks how freaky veiny people are now from HGH, nutrient timing, and also NO manipulation. They also didn't have HGH back in the golden era, but no one is going to say its useless lol. Many of these supps have their place, a lot are overpriced garbage, but not all. But supps don't do all the work themselves, and diet is DEFINITELY more important. Rich piana is an odd dude, he uses obscure methods for all things he does pretty much. Hes huge, has great genes, and a solid physique, but most guys can't listen and follow in his foot steps and expect good things.

ajordana Arnold days they did use the first method of hgh it was human cadavers they actually took this out of dead people. It later was discovered to give some nasty side effects and complications. And the freaky veiny body builders veins popping everywhere is not bcaas or NO its a combination of hgh high doses insulin high doses trenbolone and diuretics give the freaky look. That's only for competition or photo shoots it's really not healthy to stay that way for long periods.

 

[49ER]

Pretty much all supps are a scam. Bcaas, glutamine, arginine..all trash, just another way to get you to part with your money

inhuman88 I rather use cialis than arginine or even boldenone will give you bigger veins they are a scam if you watch super old bodybuilding videos people didn't know much about steroids and the videos say they are able to achieve these physiques because they have a special way of eating lol support companies prey on the uninformed that believe they need those products too achieve a nice physique.

 

[49ER]

I'm not saying Rich is a good dude he twists the truth all the time even about gear but i respect he'skind of telling some truth even though he's using it to promote a new product lol

 

[tkasch30]

Pretty much all supps are a scam. Bcaas, glutamine, arginine..all trash, just another way to get you to part with your money

inhuman88
agreed! all supps are a scam

 

[R2D2]

the only supps i really like are pump products, along with the staples like vitamins and fish oil. i haven't even been drinking protein shakes over the past year.

 

[Torres]

I love ON products !!! Have found that they do have some of the best and cleanest ingredients out there. Only use they're weight gainer w/ a meal !!! Also have their creatine and Glutamine + a multi-vitamin, that's it !!!
Have learned that food is KEY !!!
But he's gonna come out and say that shit to promote his new supp line . He wants to be different from the rest , gonna isolate himself and make him lots of cash , good move if I do say so, SMART !!! But that motherfucker drinks protein shakes behind the lines lieing bastard !!!
But have to respect the guy, he speaks truth about a lot of shit and can't down him for that !!!

 

[ajdonutz]

Arnold days they did use the first method of hgh it was human cadavers they actually took this out of dead people. It later was discovered to give some nasty side effects and complications. And the freaky veiny body builders veins popping everywhere is not bcaas or NO its a combination of hgh high doses insulin high doses trenbolone and diuretics give the freaky look. That's only for competition or photo shoots it's really not healthy to stay that way for long periods.

49ERTrust me I know all of this brother lol, preaching from the same choir. Although I do believe on some supplements when used the correct way. Ie I don't hit the gym without a concentrated pre workout to give me an edge, and from personal experience over the years, the ingredients in a good pre workout make a world of difference that surpasses anything that only caffeine and ephedrine can do, which I also like pre workout on occasion. I also rarely ever use bcaas because they're expensive and not necessary, however, on a cut, especially during contest prep, that expedited recovery time they give you when consumed pre workout is worth every penny, and I speak anything I say out of experience and scientific knowledge. Some shit works and does as its intended. Is it necessary? Nope. Is some of it beneficial? Most definitely.

 

[49ER]

Trust me I know all of this brother lol, preaching from the same choir. Although I do believe on some supplements when used the correct way. Ie I don't hit the gym without a concentrated pre workout to give me an edge, and from personal experience over the years, the ingredients in a good pre workout make a world of difference that surpasses anything that only caffeine and ephedrine can do, which I also like pre workout on occasion. I also rarely ever use bcaas because they're expensive and not necessary, however, on a cut, especially during contest prep, that expedited recovery time they give you when consumed pre workout is worth every penny, and I speak anything I say out of experience and scientific knowledge. Some shit works and does as its intended. Is it necessary? Nope. Is some of it beneficial? Most definitely.

ajordana I can agree on what you say i have no experience dieting with bcaas i just don't trust something that tastes so good to really do something that tren can't do to preserve muscle on a very low calorie diet. Absolutely pw drinks way more effective than ephedrine and coffee but they are extremely bad for you that's why I stopped using them. When i was natty i depended on pw big time but now on gear i get instant side effects and high bp but fuck yea it works!

 

[ajdonutz]

I can agree on what you say i have no experience dieting with bcaas i just don't trust something that tastes so good to really do something that tren can't do to preserve muscle on a very low calorie diet. Absolutely pw drinks way more effective than ephedrine and coffee but they are extremely bad for you that's why I stopped using them. When i was natty i depended on pw big time but now on gear i get instant side effects and high bp but fuck yea it works!

49ERYeah man I get ya, I agree, the supp industry as a whole is bs and most of it is shit, but there are a LOT of natural roots and extracts and things that have amazing effects for even general health, why would some of these things not also be able to help in our goals as well? And when trying to achieve a high level, we use everything in our arsenal. Just have to know what supps are shit, which work, and what the right price ranges are. That's when knowing what the actual ingredients do themselves comes in handy.

You're definitely right in the whole, but don't be afraid to do some research into some of these things. Trust me, aas do a ton yes, although, what are they without food and training? SOME supps that are natural can also add extra benefits. Myself and a few others I know that also are vets swear by avena sativa, its great for health, and also while taking sy thetic testosterone it helps more of that stay free by keeping shbg levels down. From experience I definitely notice a difference when I am supplementing a gram of this a day than when not, regardless of test dosage. Supp industry is def out for money, but some of this stuff isn't always a scam my man

 

[49ER]

Yeah man I get ya, I agree, the supp industry as a whole is bs and most of it is shit, but there are a LOT of natural roots and extracts and things that have amazing effects for even general health, why would some of these things not also be able to help in our goals as well? And when trying to achieve a high level, we use everything in our arsenal. Just have to know what supps are shit, which work, and what the right price ranges are. That's when knowing what the actual ingredients do themselves comes in handy.

You're definitely right in the whole, but don't be afraid to do some research into some of these things. Trust me, aas do a ton yes, although, what are they without food and training? SOME supps that are natural can also add extra benefits. Myself and a few others I know that also are vets swear by avena sativa, its great for health, and also while taking sy thetic testosterone it helps more of that stay free by keeping shbg levels down. From experience I definitely notice a difference when I am supplementing a gram of this a day than when not, regardless of test dosage. Supp industry is def out for money, but some of this stuff isn't always a scam my man

ajordana Oh no i totally agree i should have been more specific i really do believe in natural herbs different supps like that vitamins fish oil all good. I just think most powder stuff specifically for bodybuilding are a scam. I take certain herbs and garlic pills to aid in healthy bp so yes some supps like that i believe are good because they come from a natural source.

 

[24hreup]

Oh no i totally agree i should have been more specific i really do believe in natural herbs different supps like that vitamins fish oil all good. I just think most powder stuff specifically for bodybuilding are a scam. I take certain herbs and garlic pills to aid in healthy bp so yes some supps like that i believe are good because they come from a natural source.

49ER Yes sir ! the bb sub industry is a HUGE scam ! save the money for good NATURAL food anabolics and gh !

 

[49ER]

Yes sir ! the bb sub industry is a HUGE scam ! save the money for good NATURAL food anabolics and gh !

24hreup That's what it's all about. .. very soon iwill be contacting you for some good hgh 🙂