Yeah thats definitely closer to hitting the nail on the head. Most big names are full of shit and cut every corner. There are a few names I like and I find the products at the cheapest price with biggest bang for buck when I do decide to grab something. Honestly only supps I use regularly, aside from staples like fish oil and joint supps, are whey protein post workout only, and pre workouts because I'm a stim junky and love monster pumps 😉49ER said:Oh no i totally agree i should have been more specific i really do believe in natural herbs different supps like that vitamins fish oil all good. I just think most powder stuff specifically for bodybuilding are a scam. I take certain herbs and garlic pills to aid in healthy bp so yes some supps like that i believe are good because they come from a natural source.