Is scar tissue from injections hurting your growth?

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Found this article written by a physician on another site and thought it was interesting.....



Scar tissue can form in the muscles from many different things, but injections are probably the #1 cause of it in most bodybuilders who use AAS.. Anyone who has rotated their injection sites around to different muscles has most likely been doing this because of the scar tissue or swelling from previous injections. Everytime you inject into the muscle, you?re doing damage to the muscle resulting in scar tissue or adhesions. If you have been using injectable steroids for any length of time you will be familiar with rotating your injections sites from the glutes, shoulders, thighs, lats, etc. The main reason I did this in the beginning was my injection schedule was ?every 3 days? and wanted to give the last injection site some time to settle down before I hit it again allowing any swelling to subside.

I didn?t realize this at the time, but all of those injections are creating a LOT of scar tissue in the muscles, and this scar tissue can have some very detrimental effects on the muscle and how it operates. I was researching some of the effects of what happens from repeated injections in the same muscle and I came upon some information that made me better understand the trama those injections cause. I found this description from Dr. Jon DeGorter online, and I like the way he breaks it down. He said ?When a muscle is damaged the body does not actually repair the injury with new muscle, but with scar tissue. Adhesions, or internal scar tissue, are inflexible fibers that bind damaged soft tissue together. Scar tissue/adhesions that form around an injury are not as strong as the tissue it replaces. It has a tendency to contract and deform the surrounding tissues, compromising strength and flexibility.? When I hear that description and think of the hundreds or thousands of injections I have administered over the years I can?t help but form this mental image of a large blanket, peppered with hundreds of abstract puncture marks in it that have been stitched closed. You can imagine after a while it would get harder and harder to find some virgin material to properly stitch close the most recent puncture mark. You?d be forced to overlap some of the blanket here, and pull some material from over there to close the holes. After a while you would not recognize the blanket anymore with all of the repair stitching. The blanket won?t lay flat, and won?t work how it was intended.

After repeated injections into the same muscle it?s going to really start causing some issues with how the muscle performs. All of those adhesions and scar tissue in the muscle will begin to accumulate making the fibers shorter, weaker, restricting blood and oxygen from properly moving through the muscle. It seems that your nerves would be affected negatively as well from this impingement, decreasing the signals being sent to and from the muscles. I have seen top tier bodybuilders show up on stage with one arm or thigh looking significantly smaller than the other one, and I suspect this is caused from some kind of nerve impairment that scar tissue most likely plays a role in. When we are lifting weights we?re constantly causing trauma to the muscle which results in scar tissue/adhesions to marble the muscle. A quick google search and you can see some images of what this scar tissue actually looks like in a real muscle. The first time I saw what it looked like it surprised me! I was not expecting it to look like a spiderweb of sinew spun throughout the muscle? The adhesion/scar tissue is made up of a dense fibrous tissue. At the time of injury the scar tissue is very much needed, it?s made out of dense fibrous tissue and allows the muscle to be held together so to speak, after trauma or injury. You can think of it as scaffolding that helps to support the muscle as its healing, but this can become a deterrent once the muscle is healed causing decreased range of motion, pressure on nerves, and decreased blood flow.

So what can we do about it? ? There are several therapies used for breaking up this scar tissue and allowing blood flow and full range of motion to resume. A.R.T. (active release technique), Rolfing, Trigger point therapy, and Myofascial release are all forms of breaking up the scar tissue to rid the muscle, tendon and/or ligament of the adhesion. If you have a good therapist who specialises in one of these modalities it can drastically improve your condition when they are able to release some of these areas. The techniques are very painful as you can imagine, but the relief you receive is worth the pain in my opinion as you are allowing that muscle to finally ?breath?. As you can imagine it will get expensive paying for multi hr long sessions with a specialist. I have devised a few ways to administer these same Myofascial release techniques on my own. Foam rolling and the like are great ways to open up the muscle, and I recommend using this technique to soften the muscle in preparation for going deeper. In order to break up the scar tissue you can experiment with a few different (torture lol) devices. A lacrosse ball, tennis ball, rubber dog ball, baseball, or any other ball that?s close in size to the ones mentioned works very good. Depending on the muscle your targeting, will determine what way is best to use the ball. If you?re like me, you have probably taken a lot of injections in the glutes, so I will describe what I do for my glutes here. Lay on your back with your knees up in the air, and your feet close to your rear end. Cross your right leg over your left leg so your right ankle is resting atop your left knee. Place the ball under your right glue and turn your whole body to the right a little to apply pressure on the ball. At this point you will want to move around on the ball to explore the muscle, you will find areas that have acute pain and/or are very tight. Once you find this spot where you can really feel the pain get acute, you?re there, you want to stay on this point with pressure. I like to sit on this spot for at least a minute or 2 or as long as I can bear the pain! I find that applying pressure in these painful spots for a few minutes the pain will begin to subside, the tension releases and it won?t be nearly as sensitive. At this point I will move slightly to the one side or the other, keeping the ball in the same spot, but focusing pressure around the perimeter of where I have been applying pressure (like an inch or 2 to the side). Sometimes you will find another spot here that has increased pain, if so I will repeat these steps with the pressure until I feel the pain dull.

I like to go through the whole right glute muscle with the ball finding all these trigger points that are painful or very tight. Once I have had all the pain I can take on that side I will remove the ball, lay flat on my back and pull my right leg over the left side of my body trying to get my right knee over to the left side of my body where the knee can touch the ground or as close to it as I can get. This helps to stretch the glute wide open after the release.

You can use your imagination with this ball technique to hit every muscle in your body. It?s very painful, but you can feel the results from it immediately when you?re done. I find this technique with the floor and the ball to be great for the shoulders, and all over the back as well. If you do a search on amazon for ?myofascial release? it will bring up pages of products that can be used in the same manner I have described. A quick search will produce Knobby balls, boomerang looking tools, and a host of other odd shaped, but very useful tools for getting deep into the muscle to break up that scar tissue for less then $30.

I like to do this type of therapy on myself right before I go to bed in the evening. It?s amazing how much better the body feels after you?ve worked on some of those bound up scar tissue spots. I think its smart to pay extra attention to the muscles you regularly inject into, as they are going to have more scar tissue built up in them. Don?t be afraid to work other areas of the body too, as scar tissue will hinder any muscles ability to perform optimally.
 
How often would be considered ideal to avoid scar tissue? I tend to inject in same muscle only once every other week. Maybe once per week when running a 3x/week cycle. But usually on TRT with a bi weekly shot, its once every other.
 
How often would be considered ideal to avoid scar tissue? I tend to inject in same muscle only once every other week. Maybe once per week when running a 3x/week cycle. But usually on TRT with a bi weekly shot, its once every other.
puff88
What are you doing for biweekly injections for TRT... just curious.
 
Switching muscle groups as often as you can is your best bet but eventually scar tissue will build up. Also cutting down on the amount you inject into one muscle group will help tremendously since you won't have such a large pocket of oil in the muscle. I like to use higher doses to cut down on the amount I have to inject into anyone muscle group and also, using as many muscle groups as you can will slow down the scar tissue build up since the body is having more time to heal that are before you pin it again. When I used more gear I would start on one side of the body and go down and back up the other side: one muscle group a day- Right side delt, next day if you don't like pinning bicep and tricep you could go to right side lat, then right side glute, then quad, then calf and back up the left side, left side calf, quad, glute, lat, delt. If you are pinning a lot of gear just use both sides at a time (I like to keep the pain equal on each side, )LOL. Both delts, both lats, both glutes, both quads, both calves etc......
Hope this helps.
 
So far all my pins have been small injects .3-.5 cc each shot. Calfs i will be trying soon. Too nervous to do triceps, lat, and trap just yet.
 
I think the only site I have not tried has been my pecs or abs.
 
I think the only site I have not tried has been my pecs or abs.
01dragonslayerJust started throwing pecs into the mix 2 weeks ago on chest day. Was a bit nervous considering I dont have very large pecs and thought it may be easier to hit a vein or nerve in there. Enjoying it so far. Pretty painless
 
Just started throwing pecs into the mix 2 weeks ago on chest day. Was a bit nervous considering I dont have very large pecs and thought it may be easier to hit a vein or nerve in there. Enjoying it so far. Pretty painless
puff88@01dragonslayer Atta Boy
 
Yep I have done pecs a few times, not bad. Biweekly is your choice but again just to give muscles a rest go from one delt to the next one week, then pecs or lats, I just like keeping with the same muscle groups. If I use left delt tuesday then thursday I use right delt just your preference.
 
I have been alternating between delt, bicep, pec, quad, sometimessssss glute but not my favorite. May try calves next week for the first time. Lat and trap I'd like to give a go too just nervous about pinning in the right spot with those. Not sure how I'd really be able to aspirated in trap, just an awkward position. I generally try and pin whatever muscle group I'm going to hit in the gym that day. Delt and quad are my favorite, easy to reach and pretty painless.
 
I have been alternating between delt, bicep, pec, quad, sometimessssss glute but not my favorite. May try calves next week for the first time. Lat and trap I'd like to give a go too just nervous about pinning in the right spot with those. Not sure how I'd really be able to aspirated in trap, just an awkward position. I generally try and pin whatever muscle group I'm going to hit in the gym that day. Delt and quad are my favorite, easy to reach and pretty painless.
puff88See if you can get someone to pin your lats in the most meaty part. I have a manual on militant site injections I have had for so long the company and site no longer exist but if you go to the site I am going put up it will be GPZ labs site and will have examples of all the injections. I prefer my manual but they do an ok job.

 
Man It sounds like I better get more transdermal I got knots that just don t go. Mainly use a 25g but still damages. On cruise I inj 3x per wk but a cut cycle of fast esters I liked ed inj. Guess I got to change that. Can t find TD test around anymore. TD ment is around. Higher cost and 70% absorb rate. I have heard of guys having to get surgery for knots caused by hitting the same spot with test p or dhb.
 
Makes you wonder what it's going to be like years from now for all the girls that are loading up with botox/filler injections in their lips and all over their face. Probably won't be too fun dealing with that type of scar tissue on your face.
 
I would like to get into Slin sized pins, like 28-29 g moving forward for TRT. For slin, do folks back load the syringe like I have seen on a million videos, or pull from the vial and inject same needle? I have also been looking for Luer Lock syringes with a lot smaller gauge needles to swap out, haven't been able to see anything from GPZ or MLG yet.

Would like to go down this road to minimize scar tissue for sure, have been mostly pinning quads.
 
Found this article written by a physician on another site and thought it was interesting.....



Scar tissue can form in the muscles from many different things, but injections are probably the #1 cause of it in most bodybuilders who use AAS.. Anyone who has rotated their injection sites around to different muscles has most likely been doing this because of the scar tissue or swelling from previous injections. Everytime you inject into the muscle, you?re doing damage to the muscle resulting in scar tissue or adhesions. If you have been using injectable steroids for any length of time you will be familiar with rotating your injections sites from the glutes, shoulders, thighs, lats, etc. The main reason I did this in the beginning was my injection schedule was ?every 3 days? and wanted to give the last injection site some time to settle down before I hit it again allowing any swelling to subside.

I didn?t realize this at the time, but all of those injections are creating a LOT of scar tissue in the muscles, and this scar tissue can have some very detrimental effects on the muscle and how it operates. I was researching some of the effects of what happens from repeated injections in the same muscle and I came upon some information that made me better understand the trama those injections cause. I found this description from Dr. Jon DeGorter online, and I like the way he breaks it down. He said ?When a muscle is damaged the body does not actually repair the injury with new muscle, but with scar tissue. Adhesions, or internal scar tissue, are inflexible fibers that bind damaged soft tissue together. Scar tissue/adhesions that form around an injury are not as strong as the tissue it replaces. It has a tendency to contract and deform the surrounding tissues, compromising strength and flexibility.? When I hear that description and think of the hundreds or thousands of injections I have administered over the years I can?t help but form this mental image of a large blanket, peppered with hundreds of abstract puncture marks in it that have been stitched closed. You can imagine after a while it would get harder and harder to find some virgin material to properly stitch close the most recent puncture mark. You?d be forced to overlap some of the blanket here, and pull some material from over there to close the holes. After a while you would not recognize the blanket anymore with all of the repair stitching. The blanket won?t lay flat, and won?t work how it was intended.

After repeated injections into the same muscle it?s going to really start causing some issues with how the muscle performs. All of those adhesions and scar tissue in the muscle will begin to accumulate making the fibers shorter, weaker, restricting blood and oxygen from properly moving through the muscle. It seems that your nerves would be affected negatively as well from this impingement, decreasing the signals being sent to and from the muscles. I have seen top tier bodybuilders show up on stage with one arm or thigh looking significantly smaller than the other one, and I suspect this is caused from some kind of nerve impairment that scar tissue most likely plays a role in. When we are lifting weights we?re constantly causing trauma to the muscle which results in scar tissue/adhesions to marble the muscle. A quick google search and you can see some images of what this scar tissue actually looks like in a real muscle. The first time I saw what it looked like it surprised me! I was not expecting it to look like a spiderweb of sinew spun throughout the muscle? The adhesion/scar tissue is made up of a dense fibrous tissue. At the time of injury the scar tissue is very much needed, it?s made out of dense fibrous tissue and allows the muscle to be held together so to speak, after trauma or injury. You can think of it as scaffolding that helps to support the muscle as its healing, but this can become a deterrent once the muscle is healed causing decreased range of motion, pressure on nerves, and decreased blood flow.

So what can we do about it? ? There are several therapies used for breaking up this scar tissue and allowing blood flow and full range of motion to resume. A.R.T. (active release technique), Rolfing, Trigger point therapy, and Myofascial release are all forms of breaking up the scar tissue to rid the muscle, tendon and/or ligament of the adhesion. If you have a good therapist who specialises in one of these modalities it can drastically improve your condition when they are able to release some of these areas. The techniques are very painful as you can imagine, but the relief you receive is worth the pain in my opinion as you are allowing that muscle to finally ?breath?. As you can imagine it will get expensive paying for multi hr long sessions with a specialist. I have devised a few ways to administer these same Myofascial release techniques on my own. Foam rolling and the like are great ways to open up the muscle, and I recommend using this technique to soften the muscle in preparation for going deeper. In order to break up the scar tissue you can experiment with a few different (torture lol) devices. A lacrosse ball, tennis ball, rubber dog ball, baseball, or any other ball that?s close in size to the ones mentioned works very good. Depending on the muscle your targeting, will determine what way is best to use the ball. If you?re like me, you have probably taken a lot of injections in the glutes, so I will describe what I do for my glutes here. Lay on your back with your knees up in the air, and your feet close to your rear end. Cross your right leg over your left leg so your right ankle is resting atop your left knee. Place the ball under your right glue and turn your whole body to the right a little to apply pressure on the ball. At this point you will want to move around on the ball to explore the muscle, you will find areas that have acute pain and/or are very tight. Once you find this spot where you can really feel the pain get acute, you?re there, you want to stay on this point with pressure. I like to sit on this spot for at least a minute or 2 or as long as I can bear the pain! I find that applying pressure in these painful spots for a few minutes the pain will begin to subside, the tension releases and it won?t be nearly as sensitive. At this point I will move slightly to the one side or the other, keeping the ball in the same spot, but focusing pressure around the perimeter of where I have been applying pressure (like an inch or 2 to the side). Sometimes you will find another spot here that has increased pain, if so I will repeat these steps with the pressure until I feel the pain dull.

I like to go through the whole right glute muscle with the ball finding all these trigger points that are painful or very tight. Once I have had all the pain I can take on that side I will remove the ball, lay flat on my back and pull my right leg over the left side of my body trying to get my right knee over to the left side of my body where the knee can touch the ground or as close to it as I can get. This helps to stretch the glute wide open after the release.

You can use your imagination with this ball technique to hit every muscle in your body. It?s very painful, but you can feel the results from it immediately when you?re done. I find this technique with the floor and the ball to be great for the shoulders, and all over the back as well. If you do a search on amazon for ?myofascial release? it will bring up pages of products that can be used in the same manner I have described. A quick search will produce Knobby balls, boomerang looking tools, and a host of other odd shaped, but very useful tools for getting deep into the muscle to break up that scar tissue for less then $30.

I like to do this type of therapy on myself right before I go to bed in the evening. It?s amazing how much better the body feels after you?ve worked on some of those bound up scar tissue spots. I think its smart to pay extra attention to the muscles you regularly inject into, as they are going to have more scar tissue built up in them. Don?t be afraid to work other areas of the body too, as scar tissue will hinder any muscles ability to perform optimally.
01dragonslayerGood read, thanks for sharing.
 
I knly inject my fat now and i like it way better and no problems,
 

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