New Covid Strain

I read about this knew straint too. Suppose to be much more infectious that the last one. It doesn't surprise me though. Viruses are constantly mutating. And not purposely.
Just think. Like when you make a copy of a picture in a scanner. The more you make the more it changes and is harder tk see. Then the virus adapts and changes so it can carry on.
It just the common flu, just has changed some.
Sucks but that is just nature.
 
I read about this knew straint too. Suppose to be much more infectious that the last one. It doesn't surprise me though. Viruses are constantly mutating. And not purposely.
Just think. Like when you make a copy of a picture in a scanner. The more you make the more it changes and is harder tk see. Then the virus adapts and changes so it can carry on.
It just the common flu, just has changed some.
Sucks but that is just nature.
GoProCovid isn't the flu, totally different viruses
 
Covid isn't the flu, totally different viruses
GRIMMy bad. Got mixed up. Flu like symptoms . Thought the article said was the flu.
 
My bad. Got mixed up. Flu like symptoms . Thought the article said was the flu.
GoProBottom line., the damn thing only has a less than. < 1% fatality rate.
They're blowing all this shit out of proportion,, and downright lying to the masses, it's what they want ( Leftists, Global Elitist's ) to create Mass hysteria & fright. Way more than meets the eye, I know, but I believe soon ( And the Country/ World will be shocked ) alot will probably still be in denial & believe everything shoved down our throats.

And yes...! We all need to be Free thinkers, I most certainly won't be getting, nor am I worried one bit about these alledged mutations.

My 02¢ , MotorCity Out..!
 
Well I just saw that the New Covid Cases are trending Downward !!!
But , and there seems to be never ending But’s , officials are worried about Post New Year surges throughout the country as people will still go out and party and worry about consequences later. WTF !!!
 
Well I just saw that the New Covid Cases are trending Downward !!!
But , and there seems to be never ending But’s , officials are worried about Post New Year surges throughout the country as people will still go out and party and worry about consequences later. WTF !!!
TorresNo one seems to really know, we are told to wear masks and than you see articles and news saying masks don't really help so I guess you would need a re-breather or any system that would allow you to breath fresh oxygen from a tank lol. Shit who knows since it is fairly new, changing and mutating over a short period of time.
 
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No one seems to really know, we are told to wear masks and than you see articles and news saying masks don't really help so I guess you would need a re-breather or any system that would allow you to breath fresh oxygen from a tank lol. Shit who knows since it is fairly new, changing and mutating over a short period of time.
ThorThere's also some very good info out on UV ( artificial ) "and" Sunlight that nearly eradicates this COv-19 nonsense, not sure about the alledged new one however. We are certainly "The Monkey in the Middle" on all this craziness.
 
Covid a FN joke. Fuck that vaccine to. I don’t trust our “leaders” I really question everything I hear about really anything anymore..
 
Covid a FN joke. Fuck that vaccine to. I don’t trust our “leaders” I really question everything I hear about really anything anymore..
EmanI am right there with you E bro, I don't trust what I think they are showing or telling us as it is to easy to manipulate any situation visually or verbally. We have been shown this past year that they are trying to bring socialism in and it astonishes me that a lot of people still can't see and grasp what is really going on. Who do people think are going to pay for the free college or community college, free insurance and other so called benefits some people may get??? It is the average worker, me and you that will have our taxes raised even more and won't be able to afford shit anymore. The writing is on the wall and has been for some time now. No vaccine for me but they will use it in the work place, if you don't take it you don't work and since my wife works in the medical field it is mandatory, she may have to look at other career options..??
 
I am right there with you E bro, I don't trust what I think they are showing or telling us as it is to easy to manipulate any situation visually or verbally. We have been shown this past year that they are trying to bring socialism in and it astonishes me that a lot of people still can't see and grasp what is really going on. Who do people think are going to pay for the free college or community college, free insurance and other so called benefits some people may get??? It is the average worker, me and you that will have our taxes raised even more and won't be able to afford shit anymore. The writing is on the wall and has been for some time now. No vaccine for me but they will use it in the work place, if you don't take it you don't work and since my wife works in the medical field it is mandatory, she may have to look at other career options..??
ThorEd Zachery....!
 
We have people from both sides taking the vaccine on TV. The funny thing is three of those people swore the virus is no big deal, yet cut the line to take the vaccine. We can play the silly fuck fuck game all day. I don't know what was in the vial. Any more than we know what's in a pack of M and M's or any other manufactured item. Like the gear we use. We trust some nameless faceless person using Chinese raws. The same country that deliberately added toxins to baby formula. We justify it every which way and commit felonies to get it. Laws are stupid, it won't hurt, it's clean gear on and on.

What vaccine was rushed that caused problems? The last one I know of was almost 50 years ago. Ever go on a bad date? Stop dating? Metrics are set for all vaccines. The fact that you get there faster doesn't mean you did wrong. I think we've all had projects or tests that we did quicker than other people. And did them correctly. If you meet the metrics what's the big deal how fast you do it? Rember when we celebrated success? We shook its hand, patted it on the back, hugged it, looked up to it, want to be part of it. Thank goodness this level of misinformation wasn't around years ago. We ever would have a polio vaccine, smallpox, measles, and so on. Diseases cross from animal to man frequently. West Nile, Rabies, Lyme, syphilis, the list is nearly endless.

A lot of people across the world have died. I don't understand the lack of compassion. It cost nothing to be compassionate. The dismissiveness cost us our dignity and humanity.

The conspiracy stuff used to be silly. Now it's something worse. It becomes predictable and boring. It is so damn boring.
 
We have people from both sides taking the vaccine on TV. The funny thing is three of those people swore the virus is no big deal, yet cut the line to take the vaccine. We can play the silly fuck fuck game all day. I don't know what was in the vial. Any more than we know what's in a pack of M and M's or any other manufactured item. Like the gear we use. We trust some nameless faceless person using Chinese raws. The same country that deliberately added toxins to baby formula. We justify it every which way and commit felonies to get it. Laws are stupid, it won't hurt, it's clean gear on and on.

What vaccine was rushed that caused problems? The last one I know of was almost 50 years ago. Ever go on a bad date? Stop dating? Metrics are set for all vaccines. The fact that you get there faster doesn't mean you did wrong. I think we've all had projects or tests that we did quicker than other people. And did them correctly. If you meet the metrics what's the big deal how fast you do it? Rember when we celebrated success? We shook its hand, patted it on the back, hugged it, looked up to it, want to be part of it. Thank goodness this level of misinformation wasn't around years ago. We ever would have a polio vaccine, smallpox, measles, and so on. Diseases cross from animal to man frequently. West Nile, Rabies, Lyme, syphilis, the list is nearly endless.

A lot of people across the world have died. I don't understand the lack of compassion. It cost nothing to be compassionate. The dismissiveness cost us our dignity and humanity.

The conspiracy stuff used to be silly. Now it's something worse. It becomes predictable and boring. It is so damn boring.
JinkoVery Well Spoken Sir. !

MotorCity
 
We can agree to disagree, some don't trust the gov't and big business to do the right thing by the people and some do but I don't.

Ford allowed a rushed one for swine flu so yes that was around 50 yrs ago. Caused a lot of serious problems.
GUILLAIN-BARRE syndrom should ring a bell but to each their own.

I know what is in M&M's...LOL

This is just one of the first articles I came across and there are many more.

I will not post anything else up but if you look up healthcare workers across the US that are not willing to take it you find them in most every state and someones fake news does not always turn out to be fake, as you have seen CNN and others report fake news and say it is real. 🙂

Swine Flu Vaccine
1976 CBS '60 Minutes' Transcript
Government Propaganda in Swine Flu Scare Causes Many Deaths



Below is the full transcript of the 1979 broadcast from the CBS investigative news program 60 Minutes on government propaganda around the 1976 swine flu scare.The program was aired on Sunday, November 4, 1979. Only one person was killed by the actual flu, while hundreds filed claims of death of their loved ones from the massive vaccine campaign which was mounted. Key sections are highlighted in bold.
For other reasons not to trust the government when it tells you to take a vaccine, see this excellent article by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. and this webpage filled with eye-opening facts from major media articles on the risks of vaccines.
Watch this video clip online
https://www.personalgrowthcourses.net/video/swine_flu_vaccine_1


Swine Flu 1976

MIKE WALLACE: The flu season is upon us. Which type will we worry about this year, and what kind of shots will we be told to take? Remember the swine flu scare of 1976? That was the year the U.S. government told us all that swine flu could turn out to be a killer that could spread across the nation, and Washington decided that every man, woman and child in the nation should get a shot to prevent a nation-wide outbreak, a pandemic.

Well 46 million of us obediently took the shot, and now 4,000 Americans are claiming damages from Uncle Sam amounting to three and a half billion dollars because of what happened when they took that shot. By far the greatest number of the claims - two thirds of them are for neurological damage, or even death, allegedly triggered by the flu shot.

We pick up the story back in 1976, when the threat posed by the swine flu virus seemed very real indeed.

PRESIDENT GERALD FORD; This virus was the cause of a pandemic in 1918 and 1919 that resulted in over half a million deaths in the United States, as well as 20 million deaths around the world.

WALLACE: Thus the U.S. government's publicity machine was cranked into action to urge all America to protect itself against the swine flu menace. (Excerpt from TV commercial urging everyone to get a swine flu shot.) One of those who did roll up her sleeve was Judy Roberts. She was perfectly healthy, an active woman, when, in November of 1976, she took her shot. Two weeks later, she says, she began to feel a numbness starting up her legs.

JUDY ROBERTS: And I joked about it at that time. I said I'll be numb to the knees by Friday if this keeps up. By the following week, I was totally paralyzed.

WALLACE: So completely paralyzed, in fact, that they had to operate on her to enable her to breathe. And for six months, Judy Roberts was a quadriplegic. The diagnosis: A neurological disorder called "Guillain-Barre Syndrome" - GBS for short. These neurological diseases are little understood. They affect people in different ways.

As you can see in these home movies taken by a friend, Judy Roberts' paralysis confined her mostly to a wheelchair for over a year. But this disease can even kill. Indeed, there are 300 claims now pending from the families of GBS victims who died, allegedly as a result of the swine flu shot. In other GBS victims, the crippling effects diminish and all but disappear. But for Judy Roberts, progress back to good health has been painful and partial.

Now, I notice that your smile, Judy, is a little bit constricted.

ROBERTS: Yes, it is.

WALLACE: Is it different from what it used to be?

ROBERTS: Very different, I have a – a greatly decreased mobility in my lips. And I can't drink through a straw on the right-band side. I can't blow out birthday candles. I don't whistle any more, for which my husband is grateful.

WALLACE: It may be a little difficult for you to answer this question, but have you recovered as much as you are going to recover?

ROBERTS: Yes. This - this is it.

WALLACE: So you will now have a legacy of braces on your legs for the rest of your life?

ROBERTS: Yes. The weakness in my hands will stay and the leg braces will stay.

WALLACE: So Judy Roberts and her husband have filed a claim against the U.S. government. They're asking $12 million, though they don't expect to get nearly that much. Judy, why did you take the flu shot?

ROBERTS: I'd never taken any other flu shots, but I felt like this was going to be a major epidemic, and the only way to prevent a major epidemic of a - a really deadly variety of flu was for every body to be immunized.

WALLACE: Where did this so called "deadly variety of flu", where did it first hit back in 1976? It began right here at Fort Dix in New Jersey in January of that year, when a number of recruits began to complain of respiratory ailments, something like the common cold. An Army doctor here sent samples of their throat cultures to the New Jersey Public Health Lab to find our just what kind of bug was going around here. One of those samples was from a Private David Lewis, who had left his sick bed to go on a forced march. Private Lewis had collapsed on that march, and his sergeant had revived him by mouth-to-mouth resuscitation. But the sergeant showed no signs of illness. A few days later, Private Lewis died.

ROBERTS: If this disease is so potentially fatal that it's going to kill a young, healthy man, a middle-aged schoolteacher doesn't have a prayer.

WALLACE: The New Jersey lab identified most of those solders' throat cultures as the normal kind of flu virus going around that year, but they could not make out what kind of virus was in the culture from the dead soldier, and from four others who were sick. So they sent those cultures to the Federal Center for Disease Control in Atlanta, Georgia, for further study. A few days later they got the verdict: swine flu. But that much-publicized outbreak of swine flu at Fort Dix involved only Private Lewis, who died, and those four other soldiers, who recovered completely without the swine flu shot.

ROBERTS: If I had known at that time that the boy had been in a sick bed, got up, went out on a forced march and then collapsed and died, I would never have taken the shot.

DR DAVID SENCER: The rationale for our recommendation was not on the basis of the death of a - a single individual, but it was on the basis that when we do see a change in the characteristics of the influenza virus, it is a massive public-health problem in the country.

WALLACE: Dr David Sencer, then head of the CDC - the Center of Disease Control in Atlanta - is now in private industry. He devised the swine flu program and he pushed it.

WALLACE: You began to give flu shots to the American people in October of '76?

DR SENCER: October 1st.

WALLACE: By that time, how many cases of swine flu around the world had been reported?

DR SENCER: There had been several reported, but none confirmed. There had been cases in Australia that were reported by the press, by the news media. There were cases in -

WALLACE: None confirmed? Did you ever uncover any other outbreaks of swine flu anywhere in the world?

DR SENCER: No

WALLACE: Now, nearly everyone was to receive a shot in a public health facility where a doctor might not be present, therefore it was up to the CDC to come up with some kind of official consent form giving the public all the information it needed about the swine flu shot. This form stated that the swine flu vaccine had been tested. What it didn't say was that after those tests were completed, the scientists developed another vaccine and that it was the one given to most of the 46 million who took the shot. That vaccine was called "X-53a". Was X-53a ever field tested?

DR SENCER: I-I can't say. I would have to -

WALLACE: It wasn't

DR SENCER: I don't know

WALLACE: Well, I would think that you're in charge of the program

DR SENCER: 1 would have to check the records. I haven't looked at this in some time.

WALLACE: The information form the consent form was also supposed to warn people about any risk of serious complications following the shot. But did it?

ROBERTS: No, I had never heard of any reactions other than a sore arm, fever, this sort of thing.

WALLACE: Judy Roberts' husband, Gene, also took the shot.

GENE ROBERTS: Yes, I looked at that document, I signed it. Nothing on there said I was going to have a heart attack, or I can get Guillain Barre, which I'd never heard of.

WALLACE: What if people from the government, from the Center for Disease Control, what if they had indeed, known about it, what would be your feeling?

JUDY ROBERTS: They should have told us.

WALLACE: Did anyone ever come to you and say, "You know something, fellows, there's the possibility of neurological damage if you get into a mass immunization program?"

DR SENCER: No

WALLACE: No one ever did?

DR SENCER: No

WALLACE: Do you know Michael Hattwick?

DR SENCER: Yes, uh-hmm.

WALLACE: Dr Michael Hattwick directed the surveillance team for the swine flu program at the CDC. His job was to find out what possible complications could arise from taking the shot and to report his findings to those in charge. Did you know ahead of time, Dr Hattwick that there had been case reports of neurological disorders, neurological illness, apparently associated with the injection of influenza vaccine?

DR MICHAEL HATTWICK: Absolutely

WALLACE: You did?

DR HATIWICK: Yes

WALLACE: How did you know that?

DR Hattwick: By review of the literature.

WALLACE: So you told your superiors - the men in charge of the swine flu immunization program - about the possibility of neurological disorders?

DR RATTWICK: Absolutely

WALLACE: What would you say if I told you that your superiors say that you never told them about the possibility of neurological complications?

DR HAJTWICK: That's nonsense. I can't believe that they would say that they did not know that there were neurological illnesses associated with influenza vaccination. That simply is not true. We did know that.

DR SENCER: I have said that Dr Hattwick had never told me of his feelings on this subject.

WALLACE: Then he's lying?

DR SENCER: I guess you would have to make that assumption.

WALLACE: Then why does this report from your own agency, dated July 1976, list neurological complications as a possibility?

DR SENCER: I think the consensus of the scientific community was that the evidence relating neurologic disorders to influenza immunization was such that they did not feel that this association was a real one.

WALLACE: You didn't feel it was necessary to tell the American people that information

DR SENCER: I think that over the - the years we have tried to inform the American people as - as fully as possible.

WALLACE: As part of informing Americans about the swine flu threat, Dr Sencer's CDC also helped create the advertising to get the public to take the shot. Let me read to your from one of your own agency's memos planning the campaign to urge Americans to take the shot. "The swine flu vaccine has been taken by many important persons," he wrote. "Example: President Ford, Henry Kissinger, Elton John, Muhammad Ah, Mary Tyler Moore, Rudolf Nureyev, Walter Cronkite, Ralph Nader, Edward Kennedy" -etcetera, etcetera, True?

DR SENCER: I'm not familiar with that particular piece of paper, but I do know that, at least of that group, President Ford did take the vaccination.

WALLACE: Did you talk to these people beforehand to find out if they planned to take the shot?

DR SENCER: I did not, no.

WALLACE: Did anybody?

DR SENC ER: I do not know.

WALLACE: Did you get permission to use their names in your campaign?

DR SENCER: I do not know.

WALLACE: Mary, did you take a swine flu shot?

MARY TYLER MOORE: No, I did not.

WALLACE: Did you give them permission to use your name saying that you had or were going to?

MOORE: Absolutely not. Never did.

WALLACE: Did you ask your own doctor about taking the swine flu shot?

MOORE: Yes, and at the time he thought it might be a good idea. But I resisted it, because I was leery of having the symptoms that sometimes go with that kind of inoculation.

WALLACE: So you didn't?

MOORE: No, I didn't.

WALLACE: Have you spoken to your doctor since?

MOORE: Yes.

WALLACE: And?

MOORE: He's delighted that I didn't take that shot.

WALLACE: You're in charge. Somebody's in charge.

DR SENCER: There are -

WALLACE: This is your advertising strategy that I have a copy of here.

DR SENCER: Who's it signed by?

WALLACE: This one is unsigned. But you--you'll acknowledge that it was your baby so to speak?

DR SENCER: It could have been from the Department of Health, Education and Welfare. It could be from CDC. I don't know. I'll be happy to take responsibility for it.

WALLACE: It's been three years now since you fell ill by GBS right?

ROBERTS: Right.

WALLACE: Has the federal government, in your estimation, played fair with you about your claim?

ROBERTS: No, I don't think so. It seems to be dragging on and on and on, and really no end in sight that I can see at this point.

JOSEPH CALIFANO: With respect to the cases of Guillain Barre...

WALLACE: Former Secretary of HEW Joseph Caifano, too was disturbed that there was no end in sight. So a year and a half ago, he proposed that Uncle Sam would cut the bureaucratic red tape for victims suffering from GBS and would pay up quickly.

CALIFANO: We shouldn't hold them to an impossible or too difficult standard of proving that they were hurt. Even if we pay a few people a few thousand dollars that might not have deserved it, I think justice requires that we promptly pay those people who do deserve it.

WALLACE: Who's making the decision to be so hard-nosed about settling?

CALIFANO: Well, I assume the Justice Department is.

WALLACE: Griffin Bell, before he left?

CALIFANO: Well, the Justice Department agreed to the statement I made. It was cleared word for word with the lawyers in the Justice Department by my HEW lawyers.

CALIFANO: That-that statement said that we should pay Guillain Barre claims without regard to whether the federal government was negligent, if they - if they resulted from the swine flu shot.

GENE ROBERTS: I think the government knows its wrong.

JUDY ROBERTS: If it drags out long enough, that people will just give up, let it go.

GENE ROBERTS: I—I am a little more adamant in my thoughts than my wife is, because I asked - told Judy to take the shot. She wasn't going to take it, and she never had had shots. And I'm mad with my government because they knew the fact, but they didn't realize those facts because they - if they had released them, the people wouldn't have taken it. And they can come out tomorrow and tell me there's going to be an epidemic, and they can drop off like flies to - next to me, I will not take another shot that my government tells me to take.

WALLACE: Meantime, Judy Roberts and some 4,000 others like her are still waiting for their day in court.
 
We can agree to disagree, some don't trust the gov't and big business to do the right thing by the people and some do but I don't.

Ford allowed a rushed one for swine flu so yes that was around 50 yrs ago. Caused a lot of serious problems.
GUILLAIN-BARRE syndrom should ring a bell but to each their own.

I know what is in M&M's...LOL

This is just one of the first articles I came across and there are many more.

I will not post anything else up but if you look up healthcare workers across the US that are not willing to take it you find them in most every state and someones fake news does not always turn out to be fake, as you have seen CNN and others report fake news and say it is real. 🙂

Swine Flu Vaccine

1976 CBS '60 Minutes' Transcript

Government Propaganda in Swine Flu Scare Causes Many Deaths



Below is the full transcript of the 1979 broadcast from the CBS investigative news program 60 Minutes on government propaganda around the 1976 swine flu scare.The program was aired on Sunday, November 4, 1979. Only one person was killed by the actual flu, while hundreds filed claims of death of their loved ones from the massive vaccine campaign which was mounted. Key sections are highlighted in bold.
For other reasons not to trust the government when it tells you to take a vaccine, see this excellent article by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. and this webpage filled with eye-opening facts from major media articles on the risks of vaccines.
Watch this video clip online
https://www.personalgrowthcourses.net/video/swine_flu_vaccine_1

Swine Flu 1976


MIKE WALLACE: The flu season is upon us. Which type will we worry about this year, and what kind of shots will we be told to take? Remember the swine flu scare of 1976? That was the year the U.S. government told us all that swine flu could turn out to be a killer that could spread across the nation, and Washington decided that every man, woman and child in the nation should get a shot to prevent a nation-wide outbreak, a pandemic.

Well 46 million of us obediently took the shot, and now 4,000 Americans are claiming damages from Uncle Sam amounting to three and a half billion dollars because of what happened when they took that shot.
By far the greatest number of the claims - two thirds of them are for neurological damage, or even death, allegedly triggered by the flu shot.

We pick up the story back in 1976, when the threat posed by the swine flu virus seemed very real indeed.

PRESIDENT GERALD FORD; This virus was the cause of a pandemic in 1918 and 1919 that resulted in over half a million deaths in the United States, as well as 20 million deaths around the world.

WALLACE: Thus the U.S. government's publicity machine was cranked into action to urge all America to protect itself against the swine flu menace. (Excerpt from TV commercial urging everyone to get a swine flu shot.) One of those who did roll up her sleeve was Judy Roberts. She was perfectly healthy, an active woman, when, in November of 1976, she took her shot. Two weeks later, she says, she began to feel a numbness starting up her legs.

JUDY ROBERTS: And I joked about it at that time. I said I'll be numb to the knees by Friday if this keeps up. By the following week, I was totally paralyzed.

WALLACE: So completely paralyzed, in fact, that they had to operate on her to enable her to breathe. And for six months, Judy Roberts was a quadriplegic. The diagnosis: A neurological disorder called "Guillain-Barre Syndrome" - GBS for short. These neurological diseases are little understood. They affect people in different ways.

As you can see in these home movies taken by a friend, Judy Roberts' paralysis confined her mostly to a wheelchair for over a year. But this disease can even kill. Indeed, there are 300 claims now pending from the families of GBS victims who died, allegedly as a result of the swine flu shot. In other GBS victims, the crippling effects diminish and all but disappear. But for Judy Roberts, progress back to good health has been painful and partial.

Now, I notice that your smile, Judy, is a little bit constricted.

ROBERTS: Yes, it is.

WALLACE: Is it different from what it used to be?

ROBERTS: Very different, I have a – a greatly decreased mobility in my lips. And I can't drink through a straw on the right-band side. I can't blow out birthday candles. I don't whistle any more, for which my husband is grateful.

WALLACE: It may be a little difficult for you to answer this question, but have you recovered as much as you are going to recover?

ROBERTS: Yes. This - this is it.

WALLACE: So you will now have a legacy of braces on your legs for the rest of your life?

ROBERTS: Yes. The weakness in my hands will stay and the leg braces will stay.

WALLACE: So Judy Roberts and her husband have filed a claim against the U.S. government. They're asking $12 million, though they don't expect to get nearly that much. Judy, why did you take the flu shot?

ROBERTS: I'd never taken any other flu shots, but I felt like this was going to be a major epidemic, and the only way to prevent a major epidemic of a - a really deadly variety of flu was for every body to be immunized.

WALLACE: Where did this so called "deadly variety of flu", where did it first hit back in 1976? It began right here at Fort Dix in New Jersey in January of that year, when a number of recruits began to complain of respiratory ailments, something like the common cold. An Army doctor here sent samples of their throat cultures to the New Jersey Public Health Lab to find our just what kind of bug was going around here. One of those samples was from a Private David Lewis, who had left his sick bed to go on a forced march. Private Lewis had collapsed on that march, and his sergeant had revived him by mouth-to-mouth resuscitation. But the sergeant showed no signs of illness. A few days later, Private Lewis died.

ROBERTS: If this disease is so potentially fatal that it's going to kill a young, healthy man, a middle-aged schoolteacher doesn't have a prayer.

WALLACE: The New Jersey lab identified most of those solders' throat cultures as the normal kind of flu virus going around that year, but they could not make out what kind of virus was in the culture from the dead soldier, and from four others who were sick. So they sent those cultures to the Federal Center for Disease Control in Atlanta, Georgia, for further study. A few days later they got the verdict: swine flu. But that much-publicized outbreak of swine flu at Fort Dix involved only Private Lewis, who died, and those four other soldiers, who recovered completely without the swine flu shot.

ROBERTS: If I had known at that time that the boy had been in a sick bed, got up, went out on a forced march and then collapsed and died, I would never have taken the shot.


DR DAVID SENCER: The rationale for our recommendation was not on the basis of the death of a - a single individual, but it was on the basis that when we do see a change in the characteristics of the influenza virus, it is a massive public-health problem in the country.

WALLACE: Dr David Sencer, then head of the CDC - the Center of Disease Control in Atlanta - is now in private industry. He devised the swine flu program and he pushed it.

WALLACE: You began to give flu shots to the American people in October of '76?

DR SENCER: October 1st.

WALLACE: By that time, how many cases of swine flu around the world had been reported?


DR SENCER: There had been several reported, but none confirmed. There had been cases in Australia that were reported by the press, by the news media. There were cases in -

WALLACE: None confirmed? Did you ever uncover any other outbreaks of swine flu anywhere in the world?

DR SENCER: No

WALLACE: Now, nearly everyone was to receive a shot in a public health facility where a doctor might not be present, therefore it was up to the CDC to come up with some kind of official consent form giving the public all the information it needed about the swine flu shot. This form stated that the swine flu vaccine had been tested. What it didn't say was that after those tests were completed, the scientists developed another vaccine and that it was the one given to most of the 46 million who took the shot. That vaccine was called "X-53a". Was X-53a ever field tested?

DR SENCER: I-I can't say. I would have to -

WALLACE: It wasn't


DR SENCER: I don't know

WALLACE: Well, I would think that you're in charge of the program

DR SENCER: 1 would have to check the records. I haven't looked at this in some time.

WALLACE: The information form the consent form was also supposed to warn people about any risk of serious complications following the shot. But did it?

ROBERTS: No, I had never heard of any reactions other than a sore arm, fever, this sort of thing.

WALLACE: Judy Roberts' husband, Gene, also took the shot.

GENE ROBERTS: Yes, I looked at that document, I signed it. Nothing on there said I was going to have a heart attack, or I can get Guillain Barre, which I'd never heard of.

WALLACE: What if people from the government, from the Center for Disease Control, what if they had indeed, known about it, what would be your feeling?

JUDY ROBERTS: They should have told us.

WALLACE: Did anyone ever come to you and say, "You know something, fellows, there's the possibility of neurological damage if you get into a mass immunization program?"

DR SENCER: No

WALLACE: No one ever did?

DR SENCER: No

WALLACE: Do you know Michael Hattwick?

DR SENCER: Yes, uh-hmm.

WALLACE: Dr Michael Hattwick directed the surveillance team for the swine flu program at the CDC. His job was to find out what possible complications could arise from taking the shot and to report his findings to those in charge. Did you know ahead of time, Dr Hattwick that there had been case reports of neurological disorders, neurological illness, apparently associated with the injection of influenza vaccine?

DR MICHAEL HATTWICK: Absolutely


WALLACE: You did?

DR HATIWICK: Yes

WALLACE: How did you know that?

DR Hattwick: By review of the literature.

WALLACE: So you told your superiors - the men in charge of the swine flu immunization program - about the possibility of neurological disorders?

DR RATTWICK: Absolutely


WALLACE: What would you say if I told you that your superiors say that you never told them about the possibility of neurological complications?

DR HAJTWICK: That's nonsense. I can't believe that they would say that they did not know that there were neurological illnesses associated with influenza vaccination. That simply is not true. We did know that.

DR SENCER: I have said that Dr Hattwick had never told me of his feelings on this subject.

WALLACE: Then he's lying?

DR SENCER: I guess you would have to make that assumption.


WALLACE: Then why does this report from your own agency, dated July 1976, list neurological complications as a possibility?

DR SENCER: I think the consensus of the scientific community was that the evidence relating neurologic disorders to influenza immunization was such that they did not feel that this association was a real one.

WALLACE: You didn't feel it was necessary to tell the American people that information

DR SENCER: I think that over the - the years we have tried to inform the American people as - as fully as possible.

WALLACE: As part of informing Americans about the swine flu threat, Dr Sencer's CDC also helped create the advertising to get the public to take the shot. Let me read to your from one of your own agency's memos planning the campaign to urge Americans to take the shot. "The swine flu vaccine has been taken by many important persons," he wrote. "Example: President Ford, Henry Kissinger, Elton John, Muhammad Ah, Mary Tyler Moore, Rudolf Nureyev, Walter Cronkite, Ralph Nader, Edward Kennedy" -etcetera, etcetera, True?

DR SENCER: I'm not familiar with that particular piece of paper, but I do know that, at least of that group, President Ford did take the vaccination.

WALLACE: Did you talk to these people beforehand to find out if they planned to take the shot?

DR SENCER: I did not, no.


WALLACE: Did anybody?

DR SENC ER: I do not know.

WALLACE: Did you get permission to use their names in your campaign?

DR SENCER: I do not know.

WALLACE: Mary, did you take a swine flu shot?

MARY TYLER MOORE: No, I did not.

WALLACE: Did you give them permission to use your name saying that you had or were going to?

MOORE: Absolutely not. Never did.


WALLACE: Did you ask your own doctor about taking the swine flu shot?

MOORE: Yes, and at the time he thought it might be a good idea. But I resisted it, because I was leery of having the symptoms that sometimes go with that kind of inoculation.

WALLACE: So you didn't?

MOORE: No, I didn't.

WALLACE: Have you spoken to your doctor since?

MOORE: Yes.

WALLACE: And?

MOORE: He's delighted that I didn't take that shot.

WALLACE: You're in charge. Somebody's in charge.

DR SENCER: There are -

WALLACE: This is your advertising strategy that I have a copy of here.

DR SENCER: Who's it signed by?

WALLACE: This one is unsigned. But you--you'll acknowledge that it was your baby so to speak?

DR SENCER: It could have been from the Department of Health, Education and Welfare. It could be from CDC. I don't know. I'll be happy to take responsibility for it.

WALLACE: It's been three years now since you fell ill by GBS right?

ROBERTS: Right.

WALLACE: Has the federal government, in your estimation, played fair with you about your claim?

ROBERTS: No, I don't think so. It seems to be dragging on and on and on, and really no end in sight that I can see at this point.

JOSEPH CALIFANO: With respect to the cases of Guillain Barre...

WALLACE: Former Secretary of HEW Joseph Caifano, too was disturbed that there was no end in sight. So a year and a half ago, he proposed that Uncle Sam would cut the bureaucratic red tape for victims suffering from GBS and would pay up quickly.

CALIFANO: We shouldn't hold them to an impossible or too difficult standard of proving that they were hurt. Even if we pay a few people a few thousand dollars that might not have deserved it, I think justice requires that we promptly pay those people who do deserve it.

WALLACE: Who's making the decision to be so hard-nosed about settling?

CALIFANO: Well, I assume the Justice Department is.

WALLACE: Griffin Bell, before he left?

CALIFANO: Well, the Justice Department agreed to the statement I made. It was cleared word for word with the lawyers in the Justice Department by my HEW lawyers.

CALIFANO: That-that statement said that we should pay Guillain Barre claims without regard to whether the federal government was negligent, if they - if they resulted from the swine flu shot.

GENE ROBERTS: I think the government knows its wrong.

JUDY ROBERTS: If it drags out long enough, that people will just give up, let it go.

GENE ROBERTS: I—I am a little more adamant in my thoughts than my wife is, because I asked - told Judy to take the shot. She wasn't going to take it, and she never had had shots. And I'm mad with my government because they knew the fact, but they didn't realize those facts because they - if they had released them, the people wouldn't have taken it. And they can come out tomorrow and tell me there's going to be an epidemic, and they can drop off like flies to - next to me, I will not take another shot that my government tells me to take.

WALLACE: Meantime, Judy Roberts and some 4,000 others like her are still waiting for their day in court.
ThorGUILLAIN-BARRE actually can be caused by the flu itself , but it is a possible side effect.

That vaccine added just 1 out of 100,000 increase according to studies but saved far more lives


In 1976 there was a small increased risk of GBS following vaccination with an influenza vaccine made to protect against a swine flu virus. The increased risk was approximately 1 additional case of GBS per 100,000 people who got the swine flu vaccine. The Institute of Medicine (IOM) conducted a thorough scientific review of this issue in 2003 and concluded that people who received the 1976 swine influenza vaccine had an increased risk for developing GBS. Scientists have multiple theories on why this increased risk may have occurred, but the exact reason for this association remains unknown.

It is important to keep in mind that severe illness and death are associated with influenza, and vaccination is the best way to prevent influenza infection and its complications.


 
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GUILLAIN-BARRE actually can be caused by the flu itself , but it is a possible side effect.

That vaccine added just 1 out of 100,000 increase according to studies but saved far more lives


In 1976 there was a small increased risk of GBS following vaccination with an influenza vaccine made to protect against a swine flu virus. The increased risk was approximately 1 additional case of GBS per 100,000 people who got the swine flu vaccine. The Institute of Medicine (IOM) conducted a thorough scientific review of this issue in 2003 and concluded that people who received the 1976 swine influenza vaccine had an increased risk for developing GBS. Scientists have multiple theories on why this increased risk may have occurred, but the exact reason for this association remains unknown.

It is important to keep in mind that severe illness and death are associated with influenza, and vaccination is the best way to prevent influenza infection and its complications.


GRIMThere are many reports out about all that happened as I have found a lot that conflict with each other and they all tell a different story but yes vaccines have saved a lot of lives, it should be up to an individual to decide if they want a vaccine or not.
 
There are many reports out about all that happened as I have found a lot that conflict with each other and they all tell a different story but yes vaccines have saved a lot of lives, it should be up to an individual to decide if they want a vaccine or not.
ThorFor the most part I agree on individual choice I wont be getting it.
There however are exceptions, children etc,
 
For the most part I agree on individual choice I wont be getting it.
There however are exceptions, children etc,
GRIMGoing back over more reports I see where the GBS was a very small % but some people would die from adverse reactions and I agree that we do need the past vaccines that have been created but in the case of the covid vaccines I am not willing to see if me or my wife will be the next to get the short end of the stick. To the families of the people who died or came down with the diseases in the past was it worth it, not to them and their families and the vaccination of children should be up to the parent not the gov't.

I am done with the issue of viruses and vaccination 😉.
Well everyone has to make their own choice until that right is taken away, so good luck to everyone and I hope all of us make it through this unscathed.
 
Polio, small pox, measles. I’m sure 99% of us got that. M and M’s are made by MARS, talk about big business.
 
Polio, small pox, measles. I’m sure 99% of us got that. M and M’s are made by MARS, talk about big business.
JinkoYep MAR's has a monopoly going on....lol but they are good, anything chocolate.
 
Occam's razor. is it more likely that everything is a conspiracy or not? I blame the internet, social media, and lack of critical thinking skills/the ability to do research online for all of the disinformation that is out there?
 
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Occam's razor. is it more likely that everything is a conspiracy or not? I blame the internet, social media, and lack of critical thinking skills/the ability to do research online for all of the disinformation that is out there?
R2D2There have been so many lies from every media outfit that it is hard to believe anything you hear anymore and then when you research you also get many different stories concerning the same issues.

December 3, 2020

Renowned scientist tells Laura Ingraham the COVID-19 vaccine is 'downright dangerous' and will send you 'to your doom'​

By Peter Barry Chowka
On Wednesday, The Ingraham Angle on the Fox News channel broadcast a mind-boggling live interview with a world-renowned microbiologist who said the "looming" COVID-19 vaccine is "downright dangerous" and will send you "to your doom." The expert, Sucharit Bhakdi, M.D., speaking on a Skype video link from his home in Germany, also said this:
Laura Ingraham, Fox News channel host: On the social distancing and the mask, just to focus on that for a moment, which of those two in your research and your work has been the most displaced?
Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi: Both.
Ingram: Both. Not backed up by the science.
Bhakdi: Zero science.
Bhakdi is the co-author of Corona: False Alarm?, a massive bestseller in Germany that was published in English here on October 2. The book is currently the #1 bestseller in the Amazon categories of Microbiology, Pulmonary Medicine, and Health Law. It has a 4.8 out of 5 rating after 363 ratings.
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Screenshot, The Ingraham Angle, Fox News Channel, Dec. 2, 2020.
In response to Ingraham's question of why these methods — including masks and social distancing — are being "pushed," Bhakdi elaborated:
This is something that we — and when I say "we" — hundreds and thousands of people are standing up to say to say "please, all of you, sit down and think about this. Read about this and then make up your own mind. Don't believe things that people are telling you. Think for yourself and come to you own conclusions." That is why we wrote this book, because all the arguments saying — telling you why, what you are doing is absolutely nonsense.
According to his online bio:
Sucharit Bhakdi was born in Washington, D.C., and educated at schools in Switzerland, Egypt, and Thailand. He studied medicine at the University of Bonn in Germany, where he received his MD in 1970. He was a post-doctoral researcher at the Max Planck Institute of Immunobiology and Epigenetics in Freiburg from 1972 to 1976, and at The Protein Laboratory in Copenhagen from 1976 to 1977. He joined the Institute of Medical Microbiology at Giessen University in 1977 and was appointed associate professor in 1982. He was named chair of Medical Microbiology at the University of Mainz in 1990, where he remained until his retirement in 2012. Dr. Bhakdi has published over three hundred articles in the fields of immunology, bacteriology, virology, and parasitology, for which he has received numerous awards and the Order of Merit of Rhineland-Palatinate.
In his interview with Ingraham, Bhakdi described as "utter nonsense" Dr. Anthony Fauci's claim earlier Wednesday during a live interview on The Story with Martha MacCallum on the Fox News Channel that 75% of Americans would need to be vaccinated against COVID-19 in order to achieve herd immunity. Bhakdi added, "Someone who says this has not the slightest inkling of the basics of immunology."
In response to Ingraham's final question, "So you think the COVID-19 vaccine is unnecessary?" Bhakdi replied: "I think it's downright dangerous. And I warn you, if you go along these lines, you are going to go to your doom" (emphasis added).
At that point, Ingraham ran out of time but promised to have Dr. Bhakdi back on her program.
The only video of the segment available at press time was a clip, complete except for Ingraham's closing comments, posted by Media Matters for America.
 
Several hundreds of millions of doses of the vaccine have been produced. Hundreds of millions. A scientist/doctor claims "we are doomed" if we take it. He presents no data, facts, or evidence due to a lack of time. But if buy his book he will tell you. The network he is on at that time slot is the most-watched show on TV. They only give two minutes to the man that could save hundreds of millions of people from doom. Two minutes, hundreds of millions of lives are doomed. You have a duty to prevent this. Well, when you get sued and your defense in court is we are entertainment not news, and your own network list you has entertainment not news, guess it's to be expected.
 
Listen , this person saids this, that person saids that, what do we say , do you say???
He is right about one thing , we have to learn to think for ourselves!!! As Adults, we can do what’s called critical thinking. Take information from different areas, sources, places , and with that , come to our own conclusions. Remember when we were teenagers, and we couldn’t wait to be 21 so that we could think and answer for ourselves and not be told what to do. WTF happened to that ??? Millions of “ adults “ eyes glued to their TV, ears open to the radios, other people, reading newspaper , article after article and everything is DIFFERENT.
Think For Yourself!!!
If you want to wear the mask , go ahead.
If you want to take the vaccine , do it . But if you don’t , fuck it , Don’t!!!
All this Social media and people acting like sheep , is our real “ Doom “ . Nobody thinks for themselves anymore , they crave and yearn to be told what to do. Makes me sick bro’s .
Remember the saying , “ Be Leaders Not Followers “ WTF HAPPENED TO THAT SHIT !!!
I dont know about ya , but I’m going to do what I need to do to keep my son safe , and I’m going to do it by thinking for myself and not following the masses of zombies social media has created.
Damn I can go on and on !!!
 
The problem is everyone takes the damn PCR test. It’s a flawed test and when cycled any more than 20 times you’re going to find some trace of a coronavirus. It doesn’t tell you you’re sick, it tells you if you’ve had a coronavirus.
Conveniently the guy who created this test died right before the pandemic. But he’s on record talking about the test and how it shouldn’t be relied upon.
 

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