Newbie cycle

[Thesuperwallaby]

Ok, a friend of mine wants me to plan a cycle for him he is concerned about sides
About 5,11
175
Approx 15% bf

I'm thinking 12 week run
6 week dbol kickstart 25mg ed
And 100mg prop eod 1-12

Going with prop cuz the dude is super freaked about sides so I figure he can quit faster this way

Pct nolva and aromasin

Any input is appreciated....

 

[Tattz]

That's a good start. How does he feel about pinning eod?

 

[Baited]

My first cycle was test-e and tbol.

500mg/week 10 weeks
40mg/day 4 weeks

If he is worried about sides I would suggest tbol. I just ran it again recently and the only issue was fucking shin pumps when walking sometimes.


That cycle you posted is good too but I don't know if it is too much for a first (as in maybe not needed). Pinning EOD for 12 weeks is going to be a pain, literally.
The pip from prop might be more annoying than bloating on test-e, and he's already going to from the dbol.

 

[Hanzo]

Agree with Baited, Dbol most certainly will have some sides. I'd maybe kickstart his cycle with Test P, but have him actually cycle Test E and drop the Test P after 4 weeks. Pinning eod /12 weeks is asking a lot of a noob, and especially one who sounds paranoid. If it's his 1st cycle, why not just Test, and say at 400mg's/week?

 

[Thesuperwallaby]

That's a good start. How does he feel about pinning eod?

His old lady is in nursing school and she will be pinning him, I like short esters especially when trying something new, just in case faster to come off,

 

[Thesuperwallaby]

Agree with Baited, Dbol most certainly will have some sides. I'd maybe kickstart his cycle with Test P, but have him actually cycle Test E and drop the Test P after 4 weeks. Pinning eod /12 weeks is asking a lot of a noob, and especially one who sounds paranoid. If it's his 1st cycle, why not just Test, and say at 400mg's/week?

True.... First run that should be plenty..... My first run was tren a prop and mast p lmao, I don't like basic.... But that does sound more manageable for him thanks

 

[Blueedge]

Ok im a little confused here.....what is the goal of this cycle to cut or lean bulk?
Secondly what sides is your guy scared of ance, atitude, water retention?
The safest cycle would be test e and tbol....I know test takes longer to clear system BUT water retention and acne are both controlable if proper steps are taken! I understand trying to avoid any sides but to me its more about taking steps to prevent them....acne unless your guy is prone to it is easily avoidable with showers and exfoliating..and as extra precaution usimg some winter green rubbing alcohol on paper towel to clean back ect....test e and tbol shouldnt cause a ton of water retention and even if he does hold a little water its not really a terrible side effect...itw my opinion that a lean bulk usimg tbol and teste would accomplish goal with better results than prop and dbol...

 

[Akhusker]

I like to keep it simple, just a test e cycle works well, I have started a few guys on cycles and they all seem to want test p though, idk why but whatever! Dbol is great but I honestly think his body is already going to be doing a lot of growing with the test and it would be a waste to use the Dbol, not gonna make him grow any faster, muscles still take time and lots of it to grow. Once he has built a good foundation with the test then on the next cycle add the Dbol so he can build on top of the first cycle.

 

[Hanzo]

His old lady is in nursing school and she will be pinning him, I like short esters especially when trying something new, just in case faster to come off,

Wow, he's gonna have it made! His girl can pin him VG! My favorite spot!

Do you really think he'll have issues with just a Test cycle? The Test E won't kick until 2 weeks, so that would be time to see how the Prop affects him.

 

[Blueedge]

One of the most common fears of newbies is their nuts shrinking lol....if hes worried about that get him on hcg and aromasin on cycle and continue the hcg into the pct and use clomid and nolva pct...
At some point any newbie has to ask themselves ' do I want to get big or not?' And if risk of sides out weigh the desire to get big then steroids are not for him...!!

 

[Blueedge]

I like to keep it simple, just a test e cycle works well, I have started a few guys on cycles and they all seem to want test p though, idk why but whatever! Dbol is great but I honestly think his body is already going to be doing a lot of growing with the test and it would be a waste to use the Dbol, not gonna make him grow any faster, muscles still take time and lots of it to grow. Once he has built a good foundation with the test then on the next cycle add the Dbol so he can build on top of the first cycle.

The use of tbol or dbol would simply be for pwo drive and pumps not so much for growth..

 

[misterB]

id ovoid Prop for a newbie, thier virgin muscle cant handle the EOD pins

Id go with test E 300 twice a week for 12 weeks , if you use Dbol thats fine but understand the necessity for proper AI use, its a serious E2 converter so Aromasin 12.5 twice a day while on Dbol or .5 Adex EOD

that should be a fine first cycle

 

[Thesuperwallaby]

One of the most common fears of newbies is their nuts shrinking lol....if hes worried about that get him on hcg and aromasin on cycle and continue the hcg into the pct and use clomid and nolva pct...
At some point any newbie has to ask themselves ' do I want to get big or not?' And if risk of sides out weigh the desire to get big then steroids are not for him...!!

Yup, dude basically believes everything the media says about aas, hcg I was going have him add with about 4 weeks left in cycle and continue into pct at 500 iu e3d

Goal is lean bulk, he wants the rush in the gym which is where the dbol was going to come in, but as mentioned before not really needed, so after all the feedback how do we feel about
100mg prop eod 1-4
250 or 300 test e mon and thurs 5-12
Hcg 500iu e3d wk 9-15
And standard clomid nolva pct

 

[Hanzo]

Yup, dude basically believes everything the media says about aas, hcg I was going have him add with about 4 weeks left in cycle and continue into pct at 500 iu e3d

Goal is lean bulk, he wants the rush in the gym which is where the dbol was going to come in, but as mentioned before not really needed, so after all the feedback how do we feel about
100mg prop eod 1-4
250 or 300 test e mon and thurs 5-12
Hcg 500iu e3d wk 9-15
And standard clomid nolva pct

That looks really good, imo. I'd have Aromasin on hand.

 

[Thesuperwallaby]

Wow, he's gonna have it made! His girl can pin him VG! My favorite spot!

Do you really think he'll have issues with just a Test cycle? The Test E won't kick until 2 weeks, so that would be time to see how the Prop affects him.

Would u run prop and Enan together for the first few weeks, or transition from prop to Enan

 

[Blueedge]

Yup, dude basically believes everything the media says about aas, hcg I was going have him add with about 4 weeks left in cycle and continue into pct at 500 iu e3d

Goal is lean bulk, he wants the rush in the gym which is where the dbol was going to come in, but as mentioned before not really needed, so after all the feedback how do we feel about
100mg prop eod 1-4
250 or 300 test e mon and thurs 5-12
Hcg 500iu e3d wk 9-15
And standard clomid nolva pct

What about weeks 5 an6 when test hasnt hit yet and prop has left system..???? The prop has to be used until the test e kicks in...back uo the test e to week 3 to start and drop the prop week 4....I highly adviwe loosing the prop all together but not my cycle...dont get me wrong I love prop...just dont see much weight gain when bulking with it alone

 

[Blueedge]

My recommendation
Test e 250 twife a week...12 weeks
Tbol 25mg ed 12 weeks
Hcg 500mcg once a week starting week 4
Aromasin ed starting week 2
Clomid and hcg pct starting clomid 12 days after last test e shot...
He can gain 15+ lbs of lean muscle easily with good diet

 

[Baited]

If you're set on prop I would shoot prop and test-e together for a week or two

That's how I transitioned my cycle when I wanted to get off prop. I've never done it another way so I don't know how your way will work by dropping prop then start test-e

 

[Blueedge]

If you're set on prop I would shoot prop and test-e together for a week or two

That's how I transitioned my cycle when I wanted to get off prop. I've never done it another way so I don't know how your way will work by dropping prop then start test-e

This^^^^

 

[RockShawn]

bunch of pussies.

1g test E/wk
1.5g tren E/wk
TNE/Dbol ED 75/25
500g pro
500g carb
200g Fat

LOL. call a vendor when he runs out in 2 weeks