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SUBOXONE: The Psych Drug Behind The Charleston Church Shooting?

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SUBOXONE: The Psych Drug Behind The Charleston Church Shooting?
by Robert Harrington
Posted on June 20, 2015


Why does media always neglect pharma drugs?

Suboxone is a powerful psychoactive drug which is utilized in breaking heroin and narcotic pain reliever addictions. Just like methadone*, suboxone has it downside risks and adverse side effects. It is a medication which contains two primary ingredients — buprenorphine and naloxone. Buprenorphine is a synthetic opiate; naloxone is drug that blocks feelings of euphoria.

*Methodone is such a dangerous drug that dedicated clinics were set up around the country because patients could not be trusted with more than one day’s dose at a time; hence, the daily visit to the methadone clinic. Methadone is actually more dangerous than all prescribed narcotic painkillers and can threaten a patient’s life with each dose. As a matter of fact, a methadone user doesn’t have to be addicted to methadone to die from it—the very first dose can kill, unlike both heroin and morphine.

These two ingredients — buprenorphine and naloxone –work in tandem assisting the addicted drug user in their intention to break a very strong habit. Like any drug that can successfully replace heroin, it is quite powerful and has some serious side effects. Just how does it work?

Buprenorphine is an opioid partial agonist. This means that, although buprenorphine is an opioid, and thus can produce typical opioid agonist effects and side effects such as euphoria and respiratory depression, its maximal effects are less than those of full agonists like heroin and methadone. At low doses buprenorphine produces sufficient agonist effect to enable opioid-addicted individuals to discontinue the misuse of opioids without experiencing withdrawal symptoms. [1]

As for adverse side effects, there are many and they can be severe. It has been reported that violent outbursts and aggressive acts of rage can be experienced while under the influence of Suboxone. There are other extreme and significant behavioral outcomes which can be exhibited by those who are under the influence of Suboxone which fit with the violent acts of the Charleston shooter.

Charleston church shooter Dylann Roof was a known drug user who was caught with the powerful mind-altering narcotic Suboxone when apprehended by police during an incident on Feb. 28.[2]

The bottom line here is that powerful psychoactive and/or psychotropic drugs can push young people into all sorts of highly anti-social and destructive behavior. The presence of these drugs is rarely, if ever, discussed in the mainstream media in the wake of events like Charleston. The focus is always on the usage of a gun(s), rather than the radically altered state of mind of the shooter.

The following article link contains a compilation of similar shootings and spells out a compelling narrative which seems to prove the direct influence of psychotropic drugs in these shocking episodes. It also points directly to the fundamental responsibility that ought to be shared by those pharmaceutical companies which manufacture and distribute these dangerous drug medications.

Suboxone is only one of many powerful psych drugs which can trigger such a violent crime spree

Other drugs linked to mass killers have more often been geared toward treating mental illness. According to a data set of U.S. mass shootings from 1982-2012 prepared by Mother Jones magazine, of 62 mass shootings carried out by 64 shooters, the majority of the shooters (41) were noted to have signs of possible mental illness — the precise kinds of mental illnesses that psychotropic medications are prescribed for. [2]

This investigative study provides an indisputable body of scientific evidence which clearly points to a causal relationship between various psych drugs and extreme violence. What is particularly curious is why the government never addresses these quite obvious correlations. Instead, the authorities only speak to the utilization of a gun in the commission of the crimes.

Perhaps the time is now to shift attention to the dangerously mind-altering pharmaceutical drugs which regularly trigger this unacceptable conduct. The guns will always be there, just as knives will always be available. Therefore, only by addressing the root causes will this epidemic of shootings be brought to an end.

Sources:

[1] buprenorphine.samhsa.gov

[2] WND.com

Reference

Pharmaceutical Drug Interactions: Creating A National Mental Health Crisis










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Where do you find this crap? Suboxone didn't cause this kid to shoot and kill people.
 
Not quite. Subz are not going to get you on a rampage. its much deeper. Much.
 
MattyIce said:
Where do you find this crap? Suboxone didn't cause this kid to shoot and kill people.

Whoever wrote this article needs to do more research...Suboxone isn't even a psychotropic drug.
 
While I cant say firsthand since ive never been hooked on anything and needed any drug to help get me off of,I can say with firsthand knowledge that the vast majority of troubled people that end up committing horrible crimes are on tons of prescription meds just like this.

Do I believe that ONLY the drug caused them to do such things? Of course not.Do I believe that turning an already mentally unstable person into a prescription drug zombie as far too many are today can play a part in the further mental deterioration? 100% I do.

The problem with today's generation is that nobody can deal with shit anymore and run to get doped up by their dr's everytime they fukin feel stressed out,depressed or whatever the hell else!! No one has to learn to deal with life stresses which WILL happen.They only need to dope themselves out of comprehending that those stresses do and WILL always come.There's no escape.No drug will stop it.

DEALING with shit that happens is part of life.Growing up means learning how to deal with things.Unfortunately what we are led to believe today is that theres a serious medical condition for everything and coincidentally a drug thats come to market at the right time to treat these new epidemics of life called STRESS!! The sadder part is this is what these same drug zombies teach their children which only creates and even larger cycle of this DOPING OUT OF PROBLEMS mentality!

Im sorry,but grow a set of balls and stand on your own 2 feet and take life as it comes!!! GOOD AND BAD!!!!
 
http://www.medicaldaily.com/buprenorphine-linked-young-deaths-medication-50-times-stronger-morphine-303066

http://nationalpainreport.com/suboxone-new-drug-epidemic-8821747.html

http://nationalpainreport.com/sharp-rise-in-suboxone-emergency-room-visits-8818470.html

“The true magnitude and scope of buprenorphine diversion, misuse, and adverse consequences is unknown because current epidemiologic measures do not systematically monitor buprenorphine,” CESAR warned in a December, 2012 newsletter. “Similarly, buprenorphine-related deaths are not accurately tracked because medical examiners and coroners do not routinely test for the drug.”
 
do you have any idea how expensive suboxone is? Its not like buying tabs for $3-5...try $20-25 a hit. And it will make you sick as a dog... I know. You can copy and paste whatever you'd like, but its a bunch of crap. As for growing up and dealing with life's problems... I agree, cant say enough.
 
i used to take suboxone from time to time recreationally when i was a drug addict. i've never shot anybody, never even seriously considered it. that's a crap article imho.
 
I was listening to the radio this morning and the guys letter he wrote was found. He was supposed to commit suicide after the shooting. He put gun to his head and pulled trigger and it clicked. He ran out of ammo and fled. They had witnesses in the church who seen that he tried to kill himself after. He was a racist kid and grew up in a shithole. Bad influence in his life etc.. not making excuses for what be did.. just saying that was his reasons and what he did.

Now on the med subject my buddy was on that shit for a LONG time. He was tapering down off of it for over 2 years. He was a huge drug addict. If they say that suboxone makes you rage he's the exception to the rule. This guy is mellow as can be. Real quiet. Nice as hell and would do ANYTHING to help anyone else. My opinion drugs have effect on people but to always blame people being on the drugs and going after the pharmaceutical company or put them at blame is sad. They put those chemicals In their body..just like people do when they drink and drive and kill families. They don't blame bud light or whoever else.. they blame the person.. why is anything any different?
 
I was in pain clinics for just over ten yrs due to my injury. I decided to stop and the put me on subs and I was fine didn't want to hurt anyone. Then again I don't consider myself unstable.
 
Guys for every ONE person you can say was on it and didnt do anything out of the ordinary,there are are dozen that have.The issue is whats already been said and all most likely know,its that those whom are already mentally unstable are too easily put on this shit with no thought of what it could and many many times does to people in their situations.

Look its like this,ive done plenty of drugs in my day growing up and was NEVER hooked on anything.Im talking pot,coke,acid,meth.I use to go to Dead concerts and buy sheets of acid and swallow them like candy at parties and take meth and be up for nights fucking bitches all night long.So trust me,Ive been in that arena growing up but NEVER ONCE did I get addicted to any of it and completely quit cold turkey when it no longer suited the direction in my life I wanted to go.

Now did I ever kill anyone over it or go nuts? HELL NO!!

Now with that said,I know many guys who did far less drugs than I did and became junkie fucking criminals.

Its all about the mental state and STRENGTH of the person taking that shit! The problem is that far too many that should never even be near that shit are being pushed it by their dr's with the guidance and recommendations of big pharm and the gov't!!!

Thats the issue,WHO IS ON IT AND WHY and what are their mental states in addition to HOW MANY OTHER SCRIPTS ARE THEY ON AT THE SAME TIME.
 
Bro - you need to understand that suboxone is a combination of buprenorphine and naloxone - Now naloxone blocks receptors from opiates like pain pills or H from binding so it is a pretty sobering medication used to help people lead normal lives after they have been hooked on opiates. If anyone used anything recreationally it was subutex, which lacks the naloxone (it's a bit more complicated but people get the idea) You cant get high from suboxone - even if you take 5-10 times recommended dose - its kind of the entire point of using this over methadone.

Suboxone for most is a life saver - people who otherwise would be committing crimes or selling off their shit (for the sole purpose of getting money to get high), actually can have a normal existence on subutex or suboxone - It just doesn't allow one to experience withdrawals - thats it. (unfortunately it will itself, lead to withdrawls - but its used to get on without havingto experience them when coming off "harder" stuff)

This drug itself had nothing to do with the tragedy that took place. More then likely he was either trying to get off of opiates - or was an opiate addict who only could get his hands on suboxone at the moment. Maybe the years of opiate abuse caused depression, etc. but the suboxone itself was the only thing helping him.

But this is no more suboxones fault then it's the guns fault. It is the persons fault - bottom line - read about his upbringing and you can see he was always a bit of a social misfit. Cant blame medication for his shitty decisions.
 
Hogslayer said:
Insert says violent outbursts ect. I don't know...

In the pharmaceutical industry it is well known that when any drug is tested - any side effects that someone may report - even 1 person - the company must include it in the list of side effects. So if 10,000-20,000 subjects were the sample - and one guy said it made him violent (self-reporting) then the company needs to list it.

Look - whatever the case - this is an absolute tragedy and it was probably a multitude of things that caused this kid to act like that -
 
Big Moose said:
Bro - you need to understand that suboxone is a combination of buprenorphine and naloxone - Now naloxone blocks receptors from opiates like pain pills or H from binding so it is a pretty sobering medication used to help people lead normal lives after they have been hooked on opiates. If anyone used anything recreationally it was subutex, which lacks the naloxone (it's a bit more complicated but people get the idea) You cant get high from suboxone - even if you take 5-10 times recommended dose - its kind of the entire point of using this over methadone.

Suboxone for most is a life saver - people who otherwise would be committing crimes or selling off their shit (for the sole purpose of getting money to get high), actually can have a normal existence on subutex or suboxone - It just doesn't allow one to experience withdrawals - thats it. (unfortunately it will itself, lead to withdrawls - but its used to get on without havingto experience them when coming off "harder" stuff)

This drug itself had nothing to do with the tragedy that took place. More then likely he was either trying to get off of opiates - or was an opiate addict who only could get his hands on suboxone at the moment. Maybe the years of opiate abuse caused depression, etc. but the suboxone itself was the only thing helping him.

But this is no more suboxones fault then it's the guns fault. It is the persons fault - bottom line - read about his upbringing and you can see he was always a bit of a social misfit. Cant blame medication for his shitty decisions.


Once again man,the problem in my mind is WHO is being given this shit to.Not all mentally there should be on anything that can be addictive and abused.As I said,the issue is just drugging our children and every one of our citizens with tons of drugs at once to deal with every friggin problem they feel they have that needs it."THEY NEED IT" ,thats where I take issue.EVERYONE fuking NEEDS some drug today to deal with shit.This retard didnt need suboxone,he needed a fucking ass kicking from his parents.His fucking dad bought this unstable nut a fucking gun for christs sake!! Don't raise him to know whats right and wrong,lets just drug him up!!

So while you may feel that this DRUG had nothing to do with the tragedy that committed,you cannot deny that EVERY SINGLE CASE OF MASS SHOOTINGS HAS BEEN FROM EVERYONE OF THEM BEING ON MULTIPLE SCRIPTS FOR PROBLEMS! Do I feel drugs will turn a normal,sane law abiding citizen into H1tler?? NO!! Do I know firsthand that these poisons can push and already unstable person over that line?? ABSOLUTELY!!

Once again,the problems of todays generations cannot be fixed by doping you out of the reality of having a problem,They only worsen it.The real solution is to teach people to stand on their own 2 feet and learn to deal with shit that will inevitably come your way throughout life.
 
Hogslayer said:
Insert says violent outbursts ect. I don't know...


Thats exactly right.Will this happen to everyone? Of course not,but can it happen to an already coo-coo person? ABSOLUTELY.

No different than warning on cigarettes.Everything from lung cancer to emphysema,to birth defects.Will everyone that smokes get any or all of this? Of course not.But will some? HELL YES and thats good enough for me to stay the fuck away from them.

No different than any other of this poison,including SUB.
 
Here's a great read on the exact thing I was talking about...........

http://www.naturalnews.com/050149_mass_shooting_guns_psych_drugs.html


Its time stopped doping ourselves and our children into walking zombies and start learning that life aint easy sometimes.Life can fuck with you more than anything else can and leave you feeling helpless and with the idea that it will never get better.Guess what?? IT WON'T IF YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING TO MAKE IT BETTER. Drugging yourself away from the problem WILL NOT FIX IT!!
 
Good read - I agree - Suboxone, however, is not something that is prescribed to someone as a psychoactive agent for depression or anxiety, It cannot be lumped in with SSRI's like prozac or welbutrin, etc.

It has 2 very specific uses. #1 - migraine headaches but the thing it is prescribed for most is to combat opiate withdrawal. It needs to be said that it should be reserved for hard cases, people who have been stuck taking pills for long amounts of time, and cannot get off them - not because of the mental aspect - but purely physical. Nobody, I don't care who you are or how strong willed you are - can kick an H or pill habit, without going through debilitating withdrawals which are described as the worst flu you ever had multiplied by 100. No chance of getting out of the bathroom, no sleep, just feel like death - can go on for days, weeks.

Anyway, those people have jobs and children and responsibilities and in order to maintain a normal life, they need to take the suboxone which completely takes care of the withdrawal - no sickness, which allows them to continue to work, etc.

I think the Dr.'s need to also take some accountability when prescribing this drug, because it really should be used very short term, and the pt needs to use the smallest effective dose, in order NOT to become completely physically addicted to the suboxone. But Dr - they make pt.'s pay cash for the "sub visit" no insurance - and that is why they want you coming back every month.

It is a nightmare - first the opiate addiction and then trying to come off suboxone - BUT the point here is it is only used to combat the physical withdrawal from opiates. And luckily is not prescribed as loosely as prozac and the rest of them. Each script of suboxone is federally managed, monthly urine tests to make sure the pt has it in his/her system and is not selling it - and the Dr.'s need to have a special DEA # to prescribe it. It is only these "specialists" who can write for the drug. Unlike opiates which any dr, dentist, proctologist, whatever can dispense.

Interesting read and great responses to the thread - thank you OP
 
F.I.S.T. said:
Thats exactly right.Will this happen to everyone? Of course not,but can it happen to an already coo-coo person? ABSOLUTELY.

No different than warning on cigarettes.Everything from lung cancer to emphysema,to birth defects.Will everyone that smokes get any or all of this? Of course not.But will some? HELL YES and thats good enough for me to stay the fuck away from them.

No different than any other of this poison,including SUB.



Bro when I hook up with somebody the first thing I do is check their bathroom for anti depressants hard drugs ,and std related shit. Find anything and I'm outtie5000!!
 
Naturalnews is not a legitimate site with published medical research. they have a clear agenda, and it's not revealing scientific data and telling the truth about drugs/medications.
 

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