SUBOXONE: The Psych Drug Behind The Charleston Church Shooting?

[Big Moose]

Naturalnews is not a legitimate site with published medical research. they have a clear agenda, and it's not revealing scientific data and telling the truth about drugs/medications.

This is true but sine suboxone has no business being discussed in the same breath as prozac and other SSRI's - it doesn't really matter. I think some people in this thread were under the impression sub WAS just like prozac or some other mood enhancer over-prescribed to teenagers who cant deal with teen angst - but it cant be more from the truth.

Just trying to educate people for their own benefit. Then they can have a more educated opinion/discussion on the subject.

I have no other agenda here.

 

[F.I.S.T.]

Naturalnews is not a legitimate site with published medical research. they have a clear agenda, and it's not revealing scientific data and telling the truth about drugs/medications.

Naturalnews is only a format for research to be reported.They are not the ones doing the research on anything and only print the research that is out there from those that conduct it.If you look at any of the source references,you will see where they come from and from whom.In addition,you can do your own research and find the same data.Some of the links are from gov't sites.

So while not everyone may want to believe the data that sites like naturalnews and others like it put out there from dr's,and scientists,one cannot dispute it.In addition to this,I will believe the information put out there by non-profit organizations over the with HUGE vested interests in and given product 100% of the time.What we all have to ask ourselves is.....WHO HAS THE BIGGEST AGENDA AND WHAT ARE, AND WHO REAPS THE REWARDS OF THAT AGENDA??

 

[F.I.S.T.]

Good read - I agree - Suboxone, however, is not something that is prescribed to someone as a psychoactive agent for depression or anxiety, It cannot be lumped in with SSRI's like prozac or welbutrin, etc.

It has 2 very specific uses. #1 - migraine headaches but the thing it is prescribed for most is to combat opiate withdrawal. It needs to be said that it should be reserved for hard cases, people who have been stuck taking pills for long amounts of time, and cannot get off them - not because of the mental aspect - but purely physical. Nobody, I don't care who you are or how strong willed you are - can kick an H or pill habit, without going through debilitating withdrawals which are described as the worst flu you ever had multiplied by 100. No chance of getting out of the bathroom, no sleep, just feel like death - can go on for days, weeks.

Anyway, those people have jobs and children and responsibilities and in order to maintain a normal life, they need to take the suboxone which completely takes care of the withdrawal - no sickness, which allows them to continue to work, etc.

I think the Dr.'s need to also take some accountability when prescribing this drug, because it really should be used very short term, and the pt needs to use the smallest effective dose, in order NOT to become completely physically addicted to the suboxone. But Dr - they make pt.'s pay cash for the "sub visit" no insurance - and that is why they want you coming back every month.

It is a nightmare - first the opiate addiction and then trying to come off suboxone - BUT the point here is it is only used to combat the physical withdrawal from opiates. And luckily is not prescribed as loosely as prozac and the rest of them. Each script of suboxone is federally managed, monthly urine tests to make sure the pt has it in his/her system and is not selling it - and the Dr.'s need to have a special DEA # to prescribe it. It is only these "specialists" who can write for the drug. Unlike opiates which any dr, dentist, proctologist, whatever can dispense.

Interesting read and great responses to the thread - thank you OP

Thank you as well for all the replies.Great to hear from everyone,whether we share the same opinion on something or not.Its all about taking in all information and input on something for me,and this includes others opinions.

As for Sub being harder to obtain than other scripts,this may be what is supposed to happen but unfortunately its not so.A report from 2012 shows patients filled about 9 million prescriptions for Suboxone or buprenorphine products, many perhaps not realizing they were taking another opioid to treat their opioid addiction with a $1.5 billion market for Suboxone in the U.S. alone.

Also,Sub is unfortunately one of the most abused drugs around today.With rec drug use at all time highs,so has the use of Sub to supposedly combat that rec drug use.A report by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA) found a ten-fold increase in the number of emergency room visits involving buprenorphine. Over half of the 30,000 hospitalizations in 2010 were for non-medical use of buprenorphine.

The problem with Suboxone, according to Menzies, is that many addicts have learned they can use the medication, not to treat their addiction, but to maintain it. Suboxone won’t get them “high” but it will help them smooth out withdrawal symptoms between highs.

“For a drug addict, the most uncomfortable, painful problem of their addiction is withdrawal. If I can somehow control my withdrawal, then I have complete freedom to use heroin,” Menzies told National Pain Report.

“It’s a perfect formula for drug addiction. They have very little interest in getting off the drug. Suboxone, in my estimation, has allowed a very significant number of people to maintain their addiction.”


It all comes back to abuse brother.The millions of scripts that are written out each yr is abuse.Especially when these patients are on multiple other scripts which dr's never take into account when writing more and more scripts.There should definitely be accountability to those dr's that do this but there is not.

I will never say any drug doesnt have a use or purpose.Everything ever invented does.Whom we are giving it to is my issue and how many!