The Crash, Part 2

[T-bar]

So I'm over a month into this cycle;

Test Cyp 250mg 2/wk
EQ 200mg 2/wk
Dbol 25mg/ed
Arimidex 0

Sleep 8-9 hrs a night
Water 92 ounces a day

I've seen only the smallest of strength gains and very little size gain. I'm more vascular, but I'm always vascular.

So I went and had a lipid panel done as suggested;

My hemoglobin level is 18.
Cholesterol total 140
Triglycerides 101
HDL 47
VLDL 20
LDL 82
Testosterone Serum 648
Estrogens Total 32
Vitamin E 14.8

I haven't had to take an anti-e in weeks, and I'm very prone to gyno.

At this point, unless one of you sees something I'm missing, I'm ready to get my products tested. Any suggestions on where to do this?

 

[tkasch30]

I don't think you need any product testing. That stuff is junk. 500mg of test and your at 650. Throw that stuff in the trash and start a new cycle with a different labs gear

 

[misterB]

agreed, that stuff has the strength of 200 or less mg a week of test . dump it and get something else

 

[misterB]

and tell us you didn't buy it on here

 

[krustus]

that is pretty low test levels for that dose... i've tested as high as 1230 on 125mg once a week. ... you know there are a lot of variables that could have made it test that high... but point is variables or not that is low for 500mg a week in divided doses

 

[T-bar]

Sorry for the lack of explanation... I had to have my test levels lower or they would have dropped me off of TRT, so I cut my testosterone out one week before they took blood. I like buying test cyp 250 for $7.00 a bottle.

The test is the only thing coming directly from a prescription and straight from the pharmacy. I started out at 250mg once a week and then just recently, after having blood work done, bumped it up to twice a week.

What's confusing me is the total lack of strength from d-bol and EQ, along with the lack of gyno symptoms that I usually get by the 3rd day of using dbol.

 

[LittleTom]

Well who's stuff is it?

 

[AkProGuy]

Even a week after injecting cyp at 500mg/ week you should still have been well over 1600. With good test Cyp at 500mg/ week you should peak out at over 3000 free test "7 x Rule". With levels falling off during a week you should still have been above 1600 given the 1/2 life of cyp. How long were you running 500mg/ week?

 

[T-bar]

Even a week after injecting cyp at 500mg/ week you should still have been well over 1600. With good test Cyp at 500mg/ week you should peak out at over 3000 free test "7 x Rule". With levels falling off during a week you should still have been above 1600 given the 1/2 life of cyp. How long were you running 500mg/ week?

Looks like you missed my previous comment. I was not running 500 a week at the time of the testing. I was running 250 a week, but stopped a week prior to the test so they wouldn't take me off of TRT due to elevated levels.

 

[Daredevil]

What lab or from where did you get it? I think we are all curious.

 

[T-bar]

Well who's stuff is it?

The Testosterone Cyp comes straight from the pharmacy. The rest of it comes from a provider. I would have no problem saying exactly who the provider is once I get a test back showing the product us bunk. It would be totally wrong for me to throw them under the bus however until I know for sure that's what the issue is.

 

[AkProGuy]

Looks like you missed my previous comment. I was not running 500 a week at the time of the testing. I was running 250 a week, but stopped a week prior to the test so they wouldn't take me off of TRT due to elevated levels.

Ok that makes much more sense now.. As far as the dbol. You might want to bump that up to 50mg/day. if you dont' notice an increase in size/ strength after a couple weeks on that dose you got yourself some bunk dbol.. Just my opinion..

 

[krustus]

It would be totally wrong for me to throw them under the bus however until I know for sure that's what the issue is.

excellent vet move!.... imho

 

[LittleTom]

excellent vet move!.... imho

A vet move is posting an honest review of a persons product. If the OP does not wish to comment I totally respect that however, since when is giving a review of someone's products throwing them under the bus....?

 

[krustus]

A vet move is posting an honest review of a persons product. If the OP does not wish to comment I totally respect that however, since when is giving a review of someone's products throwing them under the bus....?

he's not sure what the issue is yet!.. to throw the name out there and it turn out to be something totally different... could be bunk gear? could be something else?.... he's stated he's not sure...

i'm sure tbar would share in a PM... and should put it out there if and when he feels it has to be bunk gear


hell... most of us were saying the test is junk until we heard it was pharma and we didn't get the detail about cutting it back before the labs

plus ... if it comes from a lab everyone loves then Tbar will be catching shit...lol... like when every Joker fan was sticking up for him.

 

[LittleTom]

he's not sure what the issue is yet!.. to throw the name out there and it turn out to be something totally different... could be bunk gear? could be something else?.... he's stated he's not sure...

i'm sure tbar would share in a PM... and should put it out there if and when he feels it has to be bunk gear

I hear ya Krustus. I guess it could be anything......but if you have been around the block a few times and respond a certain way to compounds it's pretty clear what's going on. If I take labs XYZ's Tren A and I'm doing what I'm supposed to and I'm not seeing anything by week 4, I know somethings up. If I'm a vet and I am not getting shit off DBol, I know something is up. I guess if you want to cover every base, spend hundreds to get your product tested that's cool. It seems to me common sense may come into play at some point. If the op said he got his shit from a lab that I have used and trusted I would still use that lab. Sometimes labs have bad batches......

At some point if you are a vet, you know your shit is good or not.

 

[krustus]

i can agree with that^^^

i've been around a while too and still can be unsure why some cycles of the exact same gear from an order can have differing results at different times i have cycled them.... only testing would tell me for certain...

but i totally agree if i use dbol a lot... i know what it should do... lol... and it should be noticeable fast...

i just don't like names being thrown out too soon ... until you are pretty certain. sometimes that bad rap can have a lasting effect... even if it is not true

 

[LittleTom]

i can agree with that^^^

Again Krustus, we are on the same page we just tend to look at things a bit differently at times. I get why you don't want to sound the "junk gear" alarm. I just think the most obvious answer is probably the correct one in this situation. Again, it's up to the OP if he wants to disclose the info. T-bar sounds like a level headed guy. I have got shit gear before and never said anything publicly. It happens and even the best vendors get shit sometimes. DO NOT believe vendors test every batch...... Lol that is complete BS.

 

[AkProGuy]

Again Krustus, we are on the same page we just tend to look at things a bit differently at times. I get why you don't want to sound the "junk gear" alarm. I just think the most obvious answer is probably the correct one in this situation. Again, it's up to the OP if he wants to disclose the info. T-bar sounds like a level headed guy. I have got shit gear before and never said anything publicly. It happens and even the best vendors get shit sometimes. DO NOT believe vendors test every batch...... Lol that is complete BS.

This is EXACTLY why I bought a LabMax test kit. I don't test everything but I do use it if something seems off or if I am trying out a new lab. The tests aren't perfect but I have not had any issues with mine.. Any source could get a questionable batch of Raws and run with it not knowing it was junk.

 

[T-bar]

...plus ... if it comes from a lab everyone loves then Tbar will be catching shit...lol...

LOL, I've been married twice so you guys don't scare me. Unless of course one of you wants to marry me and be a total nightmare, in which case I'll just tell you that my first wife is going to be really tough to beat.

If the op said he got his shit from a lab that I have used and trusted I would still use that lab. Sometimes labs have bad batches......

I 100% understand what you're saying, and thanks for understanding my stance. Hell I'm always open to being wrong and changing my opinion on things. That being the case let me lay this out and ask a question...

You've stated a few things. Just so I'm clear, you've said;


* that if my telling you the lab you've been using is where I purchased bad gear, that it wouldn't stop you from buying from them.

* that you've received shit gear before and never said anything publicly.

* Sometimes labs have bad batches


The reason I posted in the first place was to see if I was possibly missing something. It's easier to miss your own mistakes than it is to miss others. The comments I've received along with the results I'm seeing and not seeing, tell me the stuff is crap, but if all of your
statements are accurate then what good would it do to out a board paying sponsor my friend?

Like you said, even good vendors get bad product shipped to them sometimes. I suppose what makes them a great vendor is what they do about it. Rather than trash his name I'll give this guy a chance to correct things, because he has been around forever, he has done a great job in the past, and he does an excellent job of supporting EG. I think it's the right thing to do, but again I am willing to listen if you think I'm missing something.