Thanks for the input...but the cycle was already put together by a long time vet along with the macros and splits needed to take advantage of this cycle who helped quite a few guys on the road to the pro's. The short esters are only being used to preload, and will be dropped after 4-6 weeks I have not had any sides that cant be easily managed other than night sweats. There are several large UGL's in europe now making tri-tren which is much like sust. What concerns you about running a short and long ester tren?