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In order of importance. .calories, protein, macros, ... meal frequency is way down the list...

consistently hitting those calories, then , protein, then macros ... for months if not years is where the progress is..

Same with training...many methods will work... consistently hitting the gym.. consistently trying to get more weights or reps, or more total volume... for months if not years... will be where the magic is....

Lol...I guess hard headed... and never giving up are the real keys...

If you could starve and kill yourself in the gym for a week and get ripped. ..hell. ..almost anyone can do it for a week... it's the ones who just keep going that get somewhere

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You got a lot of info up there in ya head thanks for offering all the good advice. I'm used to getting no advice and ppl poking fun cuz they are elitist who aren't even really fit
 
Krustus hit the nail on the head. Consistency is the key in whatever plan you choose and works for you.
 
IMHO, I don't see how 1 or 2 meals a day can be beneficial to building muscle or losing bf. This is based on my own experience, my research and from working with several nutrition guys....my current trainer being a 7 time national body builder champion.

You're body needs a constant source of energy. If it's not from dietary intake, the body will basically consume itself. The first source is always muscle...much easier to breakdown than fat. If you keep you're metabolism at peak all day long, you can force your body to use body fat and retain or even gain muscle. The only time your anabolic is during sleep, anytime you're awake you are catabolic.
 
MattyIce said:
IMHO, I don't see how 1 or 2 meals a day can be beneficial to building muscle or losing bf. This is based on my own experience, my research and from working with several nutrition guys....my current trainer being a 7 time national body builder champion.

You're body needs a constant source of energy. If it's not from dietary intake, the body will basically consume itself. The first source is always muscle...much easier to breakdown than fat. If you keep you're metabolism at peak all day long, you can force your body to use body fat and retain or even gain muscle. The only time your anabolic is during sleep, anytime you're awake you are catabolic.

If I do have a day where I only eat 2 meals which it is rare but has happened I have snacks and protein drinks. I don't have to worry about my metabolism staying at peak all day long I'm pre-hyperthyroidism found out 6 years ago when I went to hospital for unrelated reason. I do try to eat at least 4 meals a day lunch and dinner are my largest. Breakfast I have 3/4 cup to 1 cup of plain oatmeal with 1 scoop of chocolate whey protein mixed in. this is always my smallest meal
 
MattyIce said:
IMHO, I don't see how 1 or 2 meals a day can be beneficial to building muscle or losing bf. This is based on my own experience, my research and from working with several nutrition guys....my current trainer being a 7 time national body builder champion.

You're body needs a constant source of energy. If it's not from dietary intake, the body will basically consume itself. The first source is always muscle...much easier to breakdown than fat. If you keep you're metabolism at peak all day long, you can force your body to use body fat and retain or even gain muscle. The only time your anabolic is during sleep, anytime you're awake you are catabolic.

SOO much miss information here and this is why it is vital to do your own research....

Your body does get a constant source of energy from when ever you eat.. It will use what it needs and store the rest.

Your body will only consume itself if you are in a caloric deficit regardless of how many times a day you eat...

The LAST source your body wants to use is muscle unless you are in starvation mode. Muscle is not easier to burn than fat... The body does not want to burn muscle... thats insane it wants to burn fat and the stores of fat for energy.. that is pretty basic info.

The type of works out you do are much more impactful on over all metabolism then the times of day you eat.

Only real thing I agree on is that eating at key points in the day may be beneficial to gaining muscle mass..
 
IMHO, I don't see how 1 or 2 meals a day can be beneficial to building muscle or losing bf. This is based on my own experience, my research and from working with several nutrition guys....my current trainer being a 7 time national body builder champion.

You're body needs a constant source of energy. If it's not from dietary intake, the body will basically consume itself. The first source is always muscle...much easier to breakdown than fat. If you keep you're metabolism at peak all day long, you can force your body to use body fat and retain or even gain muscle. The only time your anabolic is during sleep, anytime you're awake you are catabolic.

the body does use and store nutrients through out the day... but it's the net storage or loss weekly or so that's important...

from my experience ... i've done 6 meals a day... i've done IF (2 meals or so in an 8 hour window... both produced results... but for maintaining a lean state or getting lean.. fewer meals has been way easier to stick with ..for me.... i have been 220 with a little bit visible abs... currently at 195ish and pretty lean.. used IF to get here.

now i'm not saying getting contest ripped might not require something else ...keto, carb cycling, etc.. i don't know... never been there... but most will never need to be that ripped so why start with a super restrictive diet.... go IIFYM... helps people learn about nutrients and food.

2 meals... 4 meals... 6-8 meals... you still need certain calories and protein to get what you want... find the easiest schedule and method you can stick with for years
 
LittleTom said:
SOO much miss information here and this is why it is vital to do your own research....

Your body does get a constant source of energy from when ever you eat.. It will use what it needs and store the rest.

Your body will only consume itself if you are in a caloric deficit regardless of how many times a day you eat...

The LAST source your body wants to use is muscle unless you are in starvation mode. Muscle is not easier to burn than fat... The body does not want to burn muscle... thats insane it wants to burn fat and the stores of fat for energy.. that is pretty basic info.

The type of works out you do are much more impactful on over all metabolism then the times of day you eat.

Only real thing I agree on is that eating at key points in the day may be beneficial to gaining muscle mass..

Of course you disagree, I expect nothing less. I'll rely on a professional nutritionist and seasoned body builder IFBB pro as my knowledge resource. He coached over 100 clients to competition and many have not just placed, but won at various levels.

Muscle is easier to lose than fat...don't exercise for 3 months and see if you lose or gain muscle or fat...it's common knowledge. And the is based on the chemical makeup of lipid, a much stronger bond. We studied this my first year pre-med school. LT if your taking a biology class ask your prof, or better yet ask a A and P prof.

What your body doesn't use in metabolism and anabolism, is stored as fat. There are enzymes in your saliva converting food into basically sugar while you chew. Sugar if not used quickly will become stored as fat.

There are to ways to burn fat LT... aerobic and anaerobic. Read about both and each phase of Krebs cycle and so forth for a better understanding of how it all works.

Krustus is correct, you need to hit calories and balance of carbs, fats and proteins.
 
MattyIce said:
Of course you disagree, I expect nothing less. I'll rely on a professional nutritionist and seasoned body builder IFBB pro as my knowledge resource. He coached over 100 clients to competition and many have not just placed, but won at various levels.

Muscle is easier to lose than fat...don't exercise for 3 months and see if you lose or gain muscle or fat...it's common knowledge. And the is based on the chemical makeup of lipid, a much stronger bond. We studied this my first year pre-med school. LT if your taking a biology class ask your prof, or better yet ask a A and P prof.

What your body doesn't use in metabolism and anabolism, is stored as fat. There are enzymes in your saliva converting food into basically sugar while you chew. Sugar if not used quickly will become stored as fat.


There are to ways to burn fat LT... aerobic and anaerobic. Read about both and each phase of Krebs cycle and so forth for a better understanding of how it all works.

Krustus is correct, you need to hit calories and balance of carbs, fats and proteins.

Hope your training goes well.
 
Lots of good debating going on here. LOVE IT. Keep it coming. But IIFYM is the way I'm gonna go it's much simpler for where I'm at right now
 
Re: Critique this pic

My thoughts are if you are just starting or even at the intermediate level... why go with the most extreme phil heath diet and training plan?..

If you are not training for a competition. . Then a lifestyle method is the way to go...

So unless you are elite level.. Westside barbell style lifting isn't the best start..lol... who needs a speed day if you can't already move a ton of weight... same with diet.... 6 meals of fish and rice... not the best idea.. Unless you are an elite level competitor looking to get super ripped for a one day event...IIFYM is better choice for long term success

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At the end of the day, after you read and study and go with what ever you choose remember to keep learning. I certainly do not have all the answers and my way may not work for you at all. What I have done is gathered as much information as I can and tested it with my training and body type. Some of it works and some does not. Some of it works extremely well for others but not me. Some of the stuff I do does not work well for others but I get great results... DO NOT blindly follow anyone, myself included. Read, read, read, and train, train, train, and change shit up. Throw out what does not work do not keep trying just because some says its "supposed" to. The best way to succeed is to find your own path.

I think thats the reason I tend to get worked up at times when I see people saying this is the "way it is" thats BS. Thats the way it is for them. On the other hand it han be hard to be humble enough to keep learning but thats what its all about. Everything I have learned as come from others and then implemented. Some info is just better and some info works better... Thats why I have a HUGE problem with set workout programs and diets... There is no cookie cutter solution to this game. We are all different in so many ways. Learn, learn, learn... Self Knowledge in BBing is everything. I am still learning all the time.
 
Best thing I've learned from my guy is to never do the same workout twice. Every back workout is different than before and so one...it has made a huge variance in my results over the last 8 months.
 
So, not to hijack your thread, but here's my diet plan...

• First 2 weeks of your diet is shown below. Let me know when you start this diet...exactly. 2 weeks from the day you start, I need to see what is happening.
• The portions are just starting points…and it may be hard to get all of the food down…try best you can. We will adjust portions after 2 weeks if needed…once we see how things are going.
BEGINNING DIET (DO THIS FOR 2 WEEKS WITHOUT CHANGE)
 ALL carbohydrate measurements are COOKED measurements (not raw). For instance, a meal calling for a half cup of rice would be one half cup of cooked rice (not raw).
 Vegetables should be fresh or frozen…never canned, never boxed. Try to only add things to food like salt, pepper or other calorie free, preservative free flavoring (Mrs. Dash, Tony Chachere's, etc., any of these are fine).
• Each and every day, 2 Tablespoons of Apple Cider Vinegar (for fat assimilation) and 1 heaping Tablespoon of Olive Oil (raw) for Omega 6s
• Multi-Vitamin / Multi-Mineral supplement twice per day (morning & night, liquid vitamins preferred but there are some good tablet vitamins out there.)
• Take a minimum of 3000mg (total per day) of Omega 3 (Fish oil) daily (1000mg three times per day) with meals.
• Take Extra Vitamin C (3000mg per day total) 1000mg over 3 meals & a B Complex vitamin at least once per day.
• Take Glutamine & Creatine before & after workouts…5grams each serving (Glutamine again before bed too)
• 3000iu’s of Vitamin D3 daily. Spread out over three meals (1000iu for 3 meals).
• Minimum of One Gallon of Water Each Day (spread throughout the day), more would be great.
_____________________________________________________________________________
5 meal plan. Clean Meal Plan for 190lbs.
Meal 1 - 5 Whole Eggs cooked any style (Omega 3 eggs only) / 3/4 cup of grits or oatmeal (no instant oatmeal…get steel cut oats) – After Meal 1 - B-complex / Multi-Vitamin / 1000iu Vitamin D3, 1000mg Omega 3 (Fish Oil), 1000mg Vitamin C
Meal 2 - 7oz Chicken Breast or Turkey Breast or Fish (8oz cooked, not raw...you will have to usually cook 8 to 9oz to get 7cooked ounces) / 3/4 cup brown or white rice / 1 cup of any fibrous carbohydrate (fibrous carbs are things like broccoli, asparagus, cauliflower, cabbage, lettuce, turnips, collards, brussel sprouts, spinach, string beans, etc. ... steamed until soft in microwavable bag is fine, and you can salt/pepper to taste)
Meal 3 - 7oz Chicken Breast or Turkey Breast or any Fish / 3/4 cup sweet or white potato / 1 cup of string beans (or any fibrous carb) / 1000iu Vitamin D3, 1000mg Omega 3 (Fish Oil)
Meal 4 - 7oz Chicken Breast, Turkey Breast of Fish / 3/4 cup of corn or rice / 1 cup of string beans (or any fibrous carb)
Meal 5 - 7oz Chicken Breast, Turkey Breast or Fish / large sweet potato (size of fist or larger) 2 cups of any fibrous carb or a combination of any fibrous carbs.
Pre-Bed Shake (Meal 6 Before Bed): 50 grams in cold water, one heaping tablespoon of natural Peanut Butter (Smuckers Natural Peanut Butter…no other peanut butter will do!)
Optional Meal: 7oz of Chicken breast mixed with 1.5 cups of iceberg lettuce, add garlic salt, a few onions, few cut tomato pieces and 2 heaping tablespoons of apple cider vinegar and 1 heaping tablespoon of raw olive oil...stir good until mixed. Take 1000iu Vitamin D3, 1000mg Omega 3 (Fish Oil), Multi-Vitamin
NOTE: Splenda is fine to use. If you don't like Splenda, use Truvia or Stevia
Before Sleep: 5 grams of Glutamine,Anti-Estrogen (Letrozole preferred)
Read everything I am sending you…then re-read it.
• Take 1 dose of Benefiber or Metamucil (any good fiber product) IF NEEDED.
• Drink 1 gallon of water daily MINIMUM - use a lemon wedge in all water if you like.
You can take pre-workout powders or drinks… just pick some that are not loaded down with sugars.
NOTE: In the event its time to eat and you have NO prepared meal, and you have no protein shake…get some protein bars (Quest Bars or Parrillo.com bars are superior) and eat every 3 hours no matter what (If you don’t have real food or a shake). If you don't have real food, eat a protein bar or bars, or a shake. Eat every 3 hours no matter what. NOTHING CHANGES YOUR BODY AS FAST AS REAL FOOD. AS A GENERAL RULE, DRINK SHAKES ONLY WHEN YOU CANNOT HAVE REAL FOOD. Protein bars are only for when you don’t have real food. Don’t plan them as a meal.

Cheat Meals: For the 1st two weeks….NO CHEAT MEALS and NO DAIRY! We will change this. It is very important that you do everything exactly by the book the first two weeks. Be strong!

No fruit. Trust me on this. (See document on how fructose affects fat loss)

NO SUGAR! NOTHING WILL HINDER YOUR PROGRESS MORE THAN SUGAR (I’M TALKING ABOUT SIMPLE SUGAR…LIKE THOSE FOUND IN SWEETS)
 
I like that meal plan matty. Not too bad at all. Simple bread n butter plan easy to follow. How has it worked for you?
 
RebelMachinist said:
I like that meal plan matty. Not too bad at all. Simple bread n butter plan easy to follow. How has it worked for you?

The diet was designed strictly for fat loss based on my stats and metabolism. I worked the diet for 6 weeks and lost approx 10 lbs of fat w/o losing much if any muscle mass. Going to start up again for 16 weeks in Sept. I'll thread before and after pics ASAP.
 
Don't have a pic update yet more of a what I'm doing update. I joined an MMA gym a month ago and am taking Muay Thai and am working towards joining the competition team and become a fighter. I've always wanted and it's someone I've known of for a while and had invited me 8 years ago but didn't have the money. As for workouts I do mostly strength and power based lifts combined with the intense 2 hours per week of fight training. I'm loving it and have already leaned out a lot and even gained some lean muscle mass. I'm getting into the best shape of my life and I couldn't be happier. I have dropped all AAS except for 500mg/week of TEST E
 

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