Designer steroid profiles

[Hanzo]

Need to isolate them per compound

Understood. Good idea then. ;D

 

[jbryand101b]

that'd be cool. I'll def keep adding to this as time permits.

let me know what I can do to clean it up. each post is a different compound.

 

[R2D2]

i definitely want to give Triumphalis a try

 

[krustus]

what about pheraplex? i got a few bottles of that...

 

[GRIM]

what about pheraplex? i got a few bottles of that...

very wet but potent

 

[krustus]

so it would be a good sub for dbol? maybe?

 

[GRIM]

so it would be a good sub for dbol? maybe?

yeah it's a great jump starter but you don't keep much of it's gains as it's mostly water.

 

[R2D2]

what do you guys think of trestolone (Ment)?

 

[krustus]

one of the sponsors here had it... but i've never tried it. heard it was strong?

 

[Wacker]

Re: Designer steroid profiles

written by henryv

Epistane/Havoc



Nomenclature: 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol or 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-etioallocholan-17b-ol

Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio:

1100:91 vs. methyl test by oral administration [1]

Synonyms: Epistane, Havoc, Epi, E-Stane, Epi-Strong, Methylepithiostanol

Etymology:

Methylepithiostanol: Methyl indicates the 17a-methyl group, epi means above, indicating the bridge, thio indicating sulphur, stan is short for the androstane skeleton, and ol points out the hydroxyl at 17b.

History:

One of a number of steroidal compounds researched in the 60s by Searle Laboratories, while it was never used clinically in the West, the unmethylated analog epitiostanol has been used to treat breast cancer and gynecomastia in Japan. [2][3]

The two first "prohormone" products containing this compound, IBE's Epistane and RPN's Havoc, are still the two best-selling "epi" products on the market.

Structure and Function:

Resembling methyl DHT, but with a sulphur atom spanning C2 and C3, methylepitiostanol is an orally active compound that lacks the 3-ketone common to most anabolic steroids. Some of it's activity will be due to metabolism in vivo to other active compounds - including desoxymethyltestosterone (pheraplex). [4]

It will undergo dethionylation (loss of the sulphur atom) both in vivo or via pyrolysis (administration of high temperatures) to produce phera, as illustrated in this diagram. [5]



Effects:

Greatly increased protein synthesis and accrual of lean muscle mass with attendant strength gains. Some fat loss may be experienced, though this is dependent on diet and training.

Side Effects:

Side-effects may include (but are not limited to): loss of or heightened libido, elevated liver enzymes and potential temporary liver function impairment, HPTA disruption, adverse shifts in lipoprotein subfractions (lowered HDL, increased LDL cholesterol), acne, hair growth or loss, and an increase in blood pressure. This product should not be used by women or teens.

Gains are very lean and dry with many users complaining of sore joints (so a joint supp like Joint Force would be recommended to those experiencing pain or discomfort).

Recommended Dosages and Cycle Durations:

Cycles are typically 30 - 40mg daily for four to six weeks, followed by a SERM PCT protocol to avoid "rebound gyno".

References:
[1] Anabolic agents. 2,3-Epithioandrostane derivatives. J. Med. Chem., 1966, 9 (5), pp 693?697
[2] Gan To Kagaku Ryoho. 1988 Jul;15(7):2163-7.
[3] Jpn. J. Clin. Oncol. (1973) 3 (2): 99-104.
[4] Xenobiotica. 1991 Jul;21(7):865-72.
[5] Drug Test Anal. 2009 Nov;1(11-12):518-25.

You can get a nice hardening from 60-80mg a day the last six weeks of a cycle but you really have to watch blood pressure on this. For me it was just a little to much risk, when mast gives same effect with less sides.

 

[Wacker]

what do you guys think of trestolone (Ment)?

Bloat! And from what I understand very hard to get good raws.

 

[Wacker]

i definitely want to give Triumphalis a try

I was following a guy that ran a pre contest log of this a few months ago and he seemed to love it. If your interested I will try and find the link tomorrow.

 

[GoPro]

Good and informative read!! Thanks.

 

[R2D2]

I was following a guy that ran a pre contest log of this a few months ago and he seemed to love it. If your interested I will try and find the link tomorrow.

yea, i'd like to see it. just ordered some, and some more trest

 

[R2D2]

Bloat! And from what I understand very hard to get good raws.

yep, adding weight in a hurry!

 

[goodfella]

I was following a guy that ran a pre contest log of this a few months ago and he seemed to love it. If your interested I will try and find the link tomorrow.

Yeah, I saw that log actually. He said he only ran it for 30 days at 3 caps a day, will on low calorie diet and still gained like 7lbs I think

 

[R2D2]

http://forum.strongsupplementshop.com/showthread.php?tid=1566

 

[jbryand101b]

whoa, this has blew up, going to have to read through this.

just off this page though, ment (trestalone) and menadione (the pro hormone to ment) from what I understand, is tough to get pure.

what is on the market as of now, im told is not pure.

back when I alpha tested mentabolan (menadione) for phf, it was contained in an ethanol solution, and 30mg e/d was good, but a tease.

the products out now, people are injecting around 50-60mg of ment ace, which if you read ug reviews from this hard to get compound, that brought a lot of sides, and most found the sweet spot to be at about 40mg e/d of ment ace.

 

[jbryand101b]

PHERAPLEX

'typical dosage solo would be 40-50mg e/d for 4-6 weeks.'

Desoxymethyltestosterone (Pheraplex, DMT, Madol)



Chemical Name(s):
17a-methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol
17a-methyl-5a-androst-2-ene-17b-ol

Chemical Formula:
C20H32O

Molecular Weight:
288

CAS:
NA

Q Qatio:
6.5

Anabolic #:
1200

Androgenic #:
187

Oral Bioavailability:
Estimated at 40%

AR Binding Affinity:
NA

SHBG Binding Affinity:
NA

Half Life:
~9 hours

Legal Status (US):
Listed as a controlled substance

Average Dose:
40-60mg/day standalone
10-30mg/day when stacked

Average Cycle Length:
4 weeks

Ratings (On Scale of -5 to +5):

Muscle Gain: +4
Strength Gain: +3
Fat Gain (Negative Indicates Fat loss): +1
Water Retention: +2
Aggression: +2
Libido: 0
Acne: +1
Hair Loss: +1
Prostate Enlargement: +1
Liver Toxicity: +3
Lethargy +2

Characteristics

Desoxymethyltestosterone (DMT) is a 17aa steroid with equal toxicity as other 17aa oral steroids. While nearly all anabolic steroid molecules have a 3-keto group, Desoxymethyltestosterone lacks it, and has a 2-ene structure. This compound is readily active and does not require conversion.

DMT does not aromatize, nor does it appear to have any progestational activity, yet some users still experience gyno symptoms and bloat from this compound. This is likely related to the lack of androgenic potency from this compound (to antagonize the effect of estrogen). DMT may also contribute to gyno by displacing estrogen (and testosterone) from SHBG. It has also been proposed that DMT can inhibit 11b-hydroxylase and thus increase intracellular sodium and water retention by building up mineralcorticoid levels.

Depending on where you look, DMT has been reported to be 2-12 times more anabolic and 0.4-2 times as androgenic as methyltestosterone. It has been proposed that DMT is a naturally occurring substance because it has an almost identical structure to delta 2-androstenol, a naturally occurring pheromone in mammals. However, being a 17aa steroid hormone makes it synthetically altered and not naturally occurring. Either way, it is now a controlled substance in the United States.

Users should expect significant strength increases, weight gain, and bloat. Weight gains upwards of 20lbs in 4-6 weeks are not unheard of with this compound. The most obvious physical side effects will be strong muscular pumps, shortness of breath, high blood pressure, oily skin, and bloating. If users wanted to minimize toxic effect on the liver or other side effects, DMT could be used at doses as low as 10mg/day for a decent effect.

Being that this compound is methylated, it should not be stacked with other methylated compounds. Having moderately low androgenic activity, DMT may negatively affect the libido and erectile function. This side effect could be offset by stacking DMT with testosterone or one of its non-aromatizing metabolites to preserve DHT levels.

Common Clones:

P-Plex by Competitive Edge Labs (CEL)
Phera-Plex by Anabolic Xtreme
Nasty Mass by Purus Labs
Phera-VOL by Engineered Sports Technology (EST)
PheraFLEX by IForce
D-Stianozol by Nutracoastal
Pheradrol by PH Design
P-Max by Growth Labs
Phera-MAX by Generic Labs
Phera-BOL by Juggernaut Nutrition
Phera-Mass by Kilo Sports
Straight Phlexed by Black China Labs

References

“Characterisation of the pharmacological profile of desoxymethyltestosterone (Madol), a steroid misused for doping”

P. Diel, A. Friedel, H. Geyer, M. Kamber, U. Laudenbach-Leschowsky, W. Schänzer, M.
Thevis, G. Vollmer and O. Zierau
Toxicology Letters; Volume 169, Issue 1, 28 February 2007, Pages 64-71

 

[jbryand101b]

Re: Designer steroid profiles by henryv

This is one thats suppose to be pretty clean and dry. Would like to try this later.

if it was cheap, i'd try it. not too much buzz about this. so far, only positive reports for both products by this company are on a board full of it's supporters.