Flag burning trump

[drakonrep]

Explain how the fuck burning the flag is feeedom of speech. Your liberal argument has no merit at all. Freedom of speech, many crimes in past years are done under the guise of freedom of speech


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burning the flag is protected under freedom of speech and under protest rights. protest protection is key in enlightened and moral civilisations. every western country has this as a law. so i would suggest you reading some more and educating yourself how and why these laws were made and what their importance is. for me and all western world it is clear as day, for you it isnt but it isnt my or 'our' duty to educate you on this.
i understand fully you dislike the burning of our flag. i dislike it also. still zero reason to make punish people for it.
this liberal argument has ALL the merit in the world (hence all the laws that protect it), just you dont understand it. read and educate yourself in this matter. the price of freedom is protecting all that you dislike and all those who disagree with you.

 

[drakonrep]

i am not the best writer so maybe this will clear things up a bit: Burning the American Flag: This Is Why It's Legal

 

[drakonrep]

“We do not consecrate the flag by punishing its desecration, for in doing so we dilute the freedom that this cherished emblem represents.”

freedom for all. freedom cannot be 1 sided since this goes against principle of freedom. therefore in freedom we see and accept things with which we do not agree. and 1 day other will accept from us the things they dont like to see which we do or think. freedom is good for all. dictatorship is only good for the winning side

 

[GRIM]

Burning the flag is not liberal...
Just because something doesnt coincide with the right wing doesnt make it liberal

 

[GRIM]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/libertarianvindicator.com/2016/11/30/burning-the-american-flag-is-a-demonstration-of-a-free-society/amp/?client=ms-android-sprint-us

 

[RockShawn]

This is such a touchy topic. It is despicable to me to see it happen, but honestly I can accept burning the flag long before I can someone standing on it, or defecating on it, or desecrating it in those ways.
Not sure that it is a legal issue though. There are some states that still have flag desecration laws on the books which include fines mostly.

 

[GRIM]

States can have laws, federal however trumps them

 

[T-bar]

States can have laws, federal however trumps them

You said Trump

 

[Mick]

Burn the flag , go to jail.

Close down freeways go to jail.

Protest with Violence go to jail.

Or send them to Iraq...

 

[anabol69]

Burn the flag , go to jail.

Close down freeways go to jail.

Protest with Violence go to jail.

Or send them to Iraq...

Agreed.

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[drakonrep]

Burn the flag , go to jail.

Close down freeways go to jail.

Protest with Violence go to jail.

Or send them to Iraq...

perhaps look at WHY somebody is doing something instead of just saying 'hey thats illegal or i dont like it'. just a thought
and you like dictatorship, not freedom. your view has nothing to do with freedom. you see freedom as freedom for just your own views but real freedom is tolerating things that you dont want to see and you dont understand that if your views were to ever become policy they can be used against your own freedom.
so i disagree 100% with your statements. as does usa constitution, supreme court judges and all of western civilised enlightened world. and your attitude reeks of supremacy with 'send them' which assumes your views are always correct and you have the power and have power to send americans to jail or take away their rights. just because they did something you dont like. luckily usa constitution is the best in the world and doesnt allow for such dictatorial views and i am very happy for that. and for this reason i am proud of our USA!

freedom and tolerance for dissenting views must prevail. always criticise the leadership, always redicule. nothing is sacred, no such thing, nothing is above criticism. this is freedom

 

[blasson]

I didn't read all the posts. But trump was simply trolling the media.. he wanted them to attack him for it knowing Hillary had said the exact same thing in office trying to pass it as LAW long ago.


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[drakonrep]

I didn't read all the posts. But trump was simply trolling the media.. he wanted them to attack him for it knowing Hillary had said the exact same thing in office trying to pass it as LAW long ago.


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whoever wants to pass this as a law i do not support. and why would trump do this, he already defeated hillary and she is forever done and we are very happy. so no logic in this statement that trump did it to focus on her.

Trump has also mentioned other troubling things among which is lowering of the protection media get if they criticise government or public figures, protection which is law by 1st amendment. these 2 statements are absolutely on african dictatorship level. i am all for some of trumps ideas: protecting the country, less muslims and religion in general, investing in infrastructure, less bankers in politics (although his latest choice for treasury post is rediculous lol) but his statements about the flag and the media are of lowest level in a long long time

 

[T-bar]

I'm with you on a lot of these things, but I don't believe Trump said anything about "lowering of the protection media get if they criticise government or public figures". What I recall was a comment about removing protections for reporting false information. Much of what the media has reported over the last several years has been complete fabrication. I personally agree that they should lose their protection when they abuse the system.

 

[T-bar]

Burn the flag , go to jail.

Close down freeways go to jail.

Protest with Violence go to jail.

Or send them to Iraq...

None of these things require special laws. There are laws in place for starting a fire in public places. There are laws in place for endangering lives, which happens when you block freeways. There are laws in place for violent behavior. Many of these people include their children during their protests, and there are laws in place that allow parents to lose their children for reckless endangerment.
As usual we just need to enforce the laws that already exist.

 

[drakonrep]

I'm with you on a lot of these things, but I don't believe Trump said anything about "lowering of the protection media get if they criticise government or public figures". What I recall was a comment about removing protections for reporting false information. Much of what the media has reported over the last several years has been complete fabrication. I personally agree that they should lose their protection when they abuse the system.

media shouldnt lose their protectiion when they do a wrong job, they should be rediculed for it. losing protection means that even the right stuff they do and criticise (which is key in our free societies) would be under fire and limited which is not what we want.nonfacts should be corrected with facts, not free speech limitations.

 

[T-bar]

media shouldnt lose their protectiion when they do a wrong job, they should be rediculed for it. losing protection means that even the right stuff they do and criticise (which is key in our free societies) would be under fire and limited which is not what we want.nonfacts should be corrected with facts, not free speech limitations.

Not when those "non facts" are intentional lies. Fabricated news can be as harmful as any terror attack.

 

[drakonrep]

Not when those "non facts" are intentional lies. Fabricated news can be as harmful as any terror attack.

regardless, jailing of media or limiting protection of media is a no go zone. oppression of media is a dictatorship. not a good way for usa to go. so i hope trumps advisers told him to keep quiet about such things and simply obey the constitution and free society human rights.

 

[blasson]

whoever wants to pass this as a law i do not support. and why would trump do this, he already defeated hillary and she is forever done and we are very happy. so no logic in this statement that trump did it to focus on her.

Trump has also mentioned other troubling things among which is lowering of the protection media get if they criticise government or public figures, protection which is law by 1st amendment. these 2 statements are absolutely on african dictatorship level. i am all for some of trumps ideas: protecting the country, less muslims and religion in general, investing in infrastructure, less bankers in politics (although his latest choice for treasury post is rediculous lol) but his statements about the flag and the media are of lowest level in a long long time

Idk about all that. Why would you not support the jailing of someone who burns the USA flag in America ? do you know what it represents? Do you support the burning of the flag? (Not saying you do just asking questions). Let's say your grandpa, cousin, brother, etc dies fighting for this country so we can have our freedom here.. then you go to college to better your life, or even just turn on the tv and see these uneducated losers who thrive on violence who have NO DAM IDEA why they are even burning it besides for attention or to promote violence to get paid.. if you don't like it here then GTFO. They have better ways to get your point across than to spit on the deaths of these soldiers who died in battle so we can be safe in our homes for the most part.

If you don't have family killed in war it really shouldn't be the deciding factor to get mad or not about it, it's common sense that they have people in this world who have family/dad's/kids/wives/etc who have died but fuck their feelings right? We have to worry about everyone else's feeling such as gays, other religions, and the list is extremely long to name them all (and no I'm not hating on gays and other religions I'm just using it as an example). You're an asshole or a bad person to be against that but it's acceptable to burn the American flag. Fuck the feelings of the people's family who died. They don't matter. Burn it.

Bet when they get robbed, attacked, need medical assistance and no insurance, etc they'll happily accept the American govt assistances. It's bullshit. Jail their ass or kick them out. Who cares because they're doing NOTHING to help the situation our country is in.


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[blasson]

And don't take any of this personal.. no hate is being sent to you from me what so ever. Just trying to bring light to the reasons why people are against the flag burning and those examples were the only way in my head to say them.


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