no appettite

[inhuman88]

I've ran tren for 6 months straight at 700mg per week and liver and kidneys were fine so I'd say tren will not shut down your liver. Maybe those people had other medical problems and their liver was shutting down from something else entirely other than aas

 

[darklord]

that's a weird cycles why do people do some crazy cycles i would drop hafe that stuff and eat right and train

 

[GRIM]

I've ran tren for 6 months straight at 700mg per week and liver and kidneys were fine so I'd say tren will not shut down your liver. Maybe those people had other medical problems and their liver was shutting down from something else entirely other than aas

you have to realize what doesn't effect you may not be the case for others.

Hell clomid gave me 6 strokes, doesn't mean anyone else is gonna stroke from it.

Some get insomnia on tren, some get night sweats, some turn into assholes, etc../.
and others don't. This game is not one size fits all.

 

[inhuman88]

that's a weird cycles why do people do some crazy cycles i would drop hafe that stuff and eat right and train

Why is his cycle crazy? He has a peptide a test, an oral and two 19 nors. You don't know the doses he's using so how can you say it's crazy? The 19nors could both be dosed very low and that is not that UN common

 

[inhuman88]

you have to realize what doesn't effect you may not be the case for others.

Hell clomid gave me 6 strokes, doesn't mean anyone else is gonna stroke from it.

Some get insomnia on tren, some get night sweats, some turn into assholes, etc../.
and others don't. This game is not one size fits all.

I agree with what you just said grim and going by your words it is an inaccurate statement for you to say that tren is liver toxic. If it's not one size fits all then in a lot of cases saying tren is liver toxic is untrue

 

[GRIM]

Why is his cycle crazy? He has a peptide a test, an oral and two 19 nors. You don't know the doses he's using so how can you say it's crazy? The 19nors could both be dosed very low and that is not that UN common

he's running most of the common gear @ once,
He's also on EQ, tren blend and test blend. that's a lot of different esters.
But yes again we need to know amounts.

 

[GRIM]

I agree with what you just said grim and going by your words it is an inaccurate statement for you to say that tren is liver toxic. If it's not one size fits all then in a lot of cases saying tren is liver toxic is untrue

for some it is, nothing inaccurate about that.

btw I never said it's overall toxic.
I said I know people who's bloods said otherwise, I said "It effects some and others it don't"
I have stated it's a case by case basis in generic terms throughout this thread

 

[inhuman88]

for some it is, nothing inaccurate about that.

btw I never said it's overall toxic.
I said I know people who's bloods said otherwise, I said "It effects some and others it don't"
I have stated it's a case by case basis in generic terms throughout this thread

again though there is no proof that it is the tren. there are many other factors that it could be. its just easy to blame tren because it has such a bad rep

 

[morrey]

its the drol

 

[RockShawn]

EQ never made me hungry like some guys claim. Ghrp 6 should be helping with hunger. The npp and tren are fine together. It may be too much for some and it depends on the doses but I do two 19nors all the time. Npp and tren work in different mechanisms.

The tren could curb appetite but I'm gonna agree that the drol may be the culprit. Only way to truly tell is eliminate the drol and re evaluate.

 

[killinit88]

I could sit here and argue with you inhuman but at the end of the day you dont know and i dont know. HOWEVER i know a guy that ran nothing but test and tren, he never drank, never smoked just test n tren. He did stupid amounts for stupid time and wouldnt listen to me. He is now going through liver failure, so you can say what you want but i know for a FACT that shit WILL shut you down. Am i saying it is to HIM NO, am i asking for more details to DETERMINE the issue, you bet your ass i am. The fact that you just sit there and defend a compound and dont give a shit to hear is cycle layout is ridiculous to me. However if he doesnt want to lay it out, then there is no point in any of us sitting here debating a goddamn thing to one another. His thread not ours, so bro either tell us your layout or we really cant be of any more help to you. seacrest out.

 

[darklord]

amen

I could sit here and argue with you inhuman but at the end of the day you dont know and i dont know. HOWEVER i know a guy that ran nothing but test and tren, he never drank, never smoked just test n tren. He did stupid amounts for stupid time and wouldnt listen to me. He is now going through liver failure, so you can say what you want but i know for a FACT that shit WILL shut you down. Am i saying it is to HIM NO, am i asking for more details to DETERMINE the issue, you bet your ass i am. The fact that you just sit there and defend a compound and dont give a shit to hear is cycle layout is ridiculous to me. However if he doesnt want to lay it out, then there is no point in any of us sitting here debating a goddamn thing to one another. His thread not ours, so bro either tell us your layout or we really cant be of any more help to you. seacrest out.

 

[GRIM]

again though there is no proof that it is the tren. there are many other factors that it could be. its just easy to blame tren because it has such a bad rep

This is sounding like the creationism guy 'you weren't there'

Tren is known to be harsh on kidneys and liver.

But yes it could be other factors such as diet #1, genetics, dosing, even the brewer/raw used.
So many possibles, tren however is all over the place as being hard on kidneys and liver.

I am a firm believer in Diet being your core for not only gains, but also keeping sides in check..

Rock NPP and Tren, again depends on person as with most gear and their dosing.

We simply need more info here.

This guy could of been on massive doses of drol for months, we don't know.

 

[inhuman88]

I could sit here and argue with you inhuman but at the end of the day you dont know and i dont know. HOWEVER i know a guy that ran nothing but test and tren, he never drank, never smoked just test n tren. He did stupid amounts for stupid time and wouldnt listen to me. He is now going through liver failure, so you can say what you want but i know for a FACT that shit WILL shut you down. Am i saying it is to HIM NO, am i asking for more details to DETERMINE the issue, you bet your ass i am. The fact that you just sit there and defend a compound and dont give a shit to hear is cycle layout is ridiculous to me. However if he doesnt want to lay it out, then there is no point in any of us sitting here debating a goddamn thing to one another. His thread not ours, so bro either tell us your layout or we really cant be of any more help to you. seacrest out.

me defending a compound has nothing to do with his cycle layout. his issue is appetite not liver failure. i speak from personal experience and others experiences around me when i say that tren is not liver toxic. im not just parroting some bs that i read on the internet or because i knew a guy that happened to run tren and had liver issues.

 

[JM750]

When I ran Anapolon's my appetite went to shit. The thought of food made me sick. It is the drol.

 

[inhuman88]

This is sounding like the creationism guy 'you weren't there'

Tren is known to be harsh on kidneys and liver.

But yes it could be other factors such as diet #1, genetics, dosing, even the brewer/raw used.
So many possibles, tren however is all over the place as being hard on kidneys and liver.

I am a firm believer in Diet being your core for not only gains, but also keeping sides in check..

Rock NPP and Tren, again depends on person as with most gear and their dosing.

We simply need more info here.

This guy could of been on massive doses of drol for months, we don't know.

i sound like the creationism guy? at least when i say that tren is not liver toxic i have personal experience and others experiences around me to back me up and not just "i knew a guy who ran tren and had liver issues" that sounds a little more like the creationism guy.........

 

[dowork]

This is sounding like the creationism guy 'you weren't there'

Lmfao! Historical AAS.

 

[GRIM]

me defending a compound has nothing to do with his cycle layout. his issue is appetite not liver failure. i speak from personal experience and others experiences around me when i say that tren is not liver toxic. im not just parroting some bs that i read on the internet or because i knew a guy that happened to run tren and had liver issues.

We are talking from personal experience and those around us as well.
Appetite and liver/kidney goes hand in hand

http://www.healthline.com/health/appetite-decreased
The following medical conditions may cause your appetite to decrease:

chronic liver disease or kidney failure

 

[inhuman88]

We are talking from personal experience and those around us as well.
Appetite and liver/kidney goes hand in hand

http://www.healthline.com/health/appetite-decreased
The following medical conditions may cause your appetite to decrease:

chronic liver disease or kidney failure

so you ran tren for long periods of time and had liver/kidney issues? also the guy is on drol and it is known to decrease appetite and if he were to liver issues it is most likely from orals or some other unknown factor to us

 

[GRIM]

so you ran tren for long periods of time and had liver/kidney issues? also the guy is on drol and it is known to decrease appetite and if he were to liver issues it is most likely from orals or some other unknown factor to us

I have had raised liver values on tren yes in the past.
It is all over what tren can do, if you choose to believe it or not that's your choice.
Drol can decrease appetite for some, exactly what tren can do to 'somes' liver and kidneys.
We still need to know how long he been on, the dosing, etc.

Some can run orals without much change to their liver values btw....