Out with the old...

[dowork]

Nevermind I see the 2 week overlap now.

Kick some ass JS. What are your starting stats?

 

[jurgensplurgen]

pinned second dose yesterday, 150 prop, 75npp, 200mg eq split into two shots, one delt one glute. around 9am, then killed it on back and bis. not a lot of weight, as im still fresh from a few months off. but increased aggression and pumps for sure

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[jurgensplurgen]

Its been a week. The first couple days I can chalk up to placebo, I forget to take that into consideration. Also its hard to tell whats actually an effect of the aas and whats just muscle memory getting back in the swing of things after so much time off.
currently 6ft 1, (swear i lost 3/4 of an inch the last year) 195 to 200lbs. i peaked at 205 to 210 in january, so im pretty happy that i didnt lose a lot of weight since then.
blood pressure is up just a little, vascularity is up slightly. no negative sides yet except that ik not noticing the sex drive boost yet. 1 week on sus and i was a sex maniac. im not sure if its due to the npp, if i need to up the test to npp ratio (like 150prop to 75npp eod) or if it just needs more time. also i just dont "feel" psychologically throughout the day the way i was with the sust. no increased aggression or euphoria outside of the gym, but when lifting ill go to failure, get totally pissed and hulk up to bang out another 2 to 5 reps.
i also realized nolva isnt going to do shit for me if i get gyno from the npp, so i need to choose caber, prami or bromo and get that ready to go asap.
after another week and if sex drive and mental energy aren't up ill change the ratio, then try caber or company. if that still doesnt do the trick ill start some test e up a little early and see if i notice a difference.
i want to run just the prop and npp long enough to really get a feel for the quality and potency as they are from a new source. im probably worrying unnecessarily.
lifting frequency has been eod, but od like to squeeze my schedule to get that to 5 days per week. i like a 2 on 1 off schedule ideally. ill try to post some pics tomorrow before any body composition changes start.

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[Hanzo]

I cast a vote for caber, love that stuff.

 

[RockShawn]

Your on almost exactly what I'm running right now. 100mg prop/ week and 700mg npp/wk - That was a switch from being on high test and EQ and then to lower test and Methyl Tren (I know I'm all over the place) - Point being when I switched to the TP/NPP only, my sex drive tanked some too. I just don't want it every hour like i did running the other comps. I take 20mg nolva ED and 1mg Adex eod and my last blood work showed E2 levels of 65 which is good with as much test as I'm running. No signs of any gyno in me. I have caber too, I'm just waiting to take it when I get back to tren. I think your ratio is fine. I'm pretty sure its the NPP that's causing the sex drive issue. I'm not real sure caber will overcome it, but it might.

I can PM you the source for the adex and Nolva I'm on. they are legit. Caber seems to be very potent too, I got it from a research chem company if you need help let me know.

 

[jurgensplurgen]

thanks rockshawn. i would appreciate the source for caber, as that seems to be one that varies widely in effectiveness for people depending on the source.
well shit. the increased sex drive is a good chunk of why im on in the first place, i have some photoshoots in a few weeks that i need to be able to pitch a tent and hold it up on demand, and the sus drive sure made that easy. ill find the right balance, its not bad enough to want to drop the npp or anything.
Joints are feeling the effects, no rubbing or discomfort of my knees or elbows.
What i really need to get in check is my sodiun intake. Im not experiencing bloat now, but i like my salt too much, and i want to keep my bp down and not struggle with water later, so. goal for this week is to get salt under control.
I also bit the bullet this week and paid for my NASM test and materials. Now ive got six months to be ready to take the test, so I wont keep procrastinating another year.

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[RockShawn]

thanks rockshawn. i would appreciate the source for caber, as that seems to be one that varies widely in effectiveness for people depending on the source.
well shit. the increased sex drive is a good chunk of why im on in the first place, i have some photoshoots in a few weeks that i need to be able to pitch a tent and hold it up on demand, and the sus drive sure made that easy. ill find the right balance, its not bad enough to want to drop the npp or anything.
Joints are feeling the effects, no rubbing or discomfort of my knees or elbows.
What i really need to get in check is my sodiun intake. Im not experiencing bloat now, but i like my salt too much, and i want to keep my bp down and not struggle with water later, so. goal for this week is to get salt under control.
I also bit the bullet this week and paid for my NASM test and materials. Now ive got six months to be ready to take the test, so I wont keep procrastinating another year.

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I might try some viagra or TNE for the Photoshoot. Damn I don't even wanna know! It's not that I have a limp dick, I just don't run home at 11:00am to molest my wife right now. i'll PM sources

 

[jurgensplurgen]

gained 30 pounds on my bench in a week.
that thirty pounds may sound crazy but it's a little misleading. Im coming back after some months off, and while i lost less than 10lbs mass, my strength tanked like crazy... so its not like i was at a plateau then jumped that much, in 3 workouts bench went from 135 for ten, to. 205 for 8.
Incline DB press went from 60lbs x8 to 75x10
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[GRIM]

gained 30 pounds on my bench in a week.
that thirty pounds may sound crazy but it's a little misleading. Im coming back after some months off, and while i lost less than 10lbs mass, my strength tanked like crazy... so its not like i was at a plateau then jumped that much, in 3 workouts bench went from 135 for ten, to. 205 for 8.
Incline DB press went from 60lbs x8 to 75x10
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stronger than me!

 

[Hanzo]

gained 30 pounds on my bench in a week.
that thirty pounds may sound crazy but it's a little misleading. Im coming back after some months off, and while i lost less than 10lbs mass, my strength tanked like crazy... so its not like i was at a plateau then jumped that much, in 3 workouts bench went from 135 for ten, to. 205 for 8.
Incline DB press went from 60lbs x8 to 75x10
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Still, pretty impressive bro.

 

[RockShawn]

Muscle remembers. Give it time you'll up there quick. Need to reopen the 315 club.

 

[jurgensplurgen]

and either the prop is fully kicking in or lowering the npp was the way to go... but but sex drive just went through the roof, every little thing gives me a boner

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[Hanzo]

and either the prop is fully kicking in or lowering the npp was the way to go... but but sex drive just went through the roof, every little thing gives me a boner

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Are you supplementing anything for libido issues? I always found Deca way more prohibitive than NPP in that dept.

 

[jurgensplurgen]

Prolactin -- it looks like I may be sensitive to it. I've had intermittent erectile problems all of my life, and it's always baffled myself and any Dr I came to about it. My natty test would be normal to high, blood flow to the area fine, but it might take months to be able to have "good sex" with a girl...and the more I actually liked her, the lower libido would go and more difficult it would be to make the magic happen. It might go away for a month or two...then come back hard (or soft). Reading about the effects of prolactin in the body, it makes sense: Feelings of tenderness and caring increase prolactin, and prolactin decreases libido. Combine this with the fact that I was a raging alcoholic for so long, which can increase both prolactin production and sensitivity.
Docs told me I was just fishing for trt or viagra and would tell me to fly a kite, come back when you are at least 35. Fuck you , I want a satisfying sex life in my 20s too damnit. Cialis usually helped, if not to increase libido, it at least let the tool perform the deed.
Fast forward to now -- I dropped the npp for one inject, and 24 hrs later libido shot up like crazy. Next inject I went 125 prop/100 npp -- libido crashed again. No jacking off, nothing. 3rd inject day went 125 prop/50npp -- libido up again, not the pussy destroyer mode I was in on Sus, but enough to feel normal. Also nips are sensitive and erect pretty much all the time.

I'll still play with caber soon and see how that effects everything, but for now I'll stick with the npp, albeit at lower doses than I planned. It also feels like the npp tempers the test energy and aggression. I have great drive in the gym, and some increased energy through the day, but I'm not feeling like the hulk and constantly wanting to smash shit just for the pleasure of destroying it. That was fun and all, but it's nice to feel normal, but with extra fast recovery, strength, and I can deal with 4 hours of sleep much better.

strength increase: 1st workout (no cycle, first back day in months) I could do about 5 body weight pullups.
2nd workout (just a few days in to cycle) 7 bodyweight pullups.
3rd workout (about 9 days on) Got 8 pullups, got pissed and banged out four more. Repeated for 10 then six. Fuck yes.

 

[jurgensplurgen]

A couple quick "before" pics. Sorta. At least its only a week in. Stupid phone camera is so temperamental, it takes great pics sometimes, horrible grainy washouts others. Will get some better ones, but it at least shows that my starting composition isn't too terrible.

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[dowork]

...but it might take months to be able to have "good sex" with a girl...

Alternatively you could go back to having sex with boys. That's what RS does while on cycle. Oh oh, here's an idea... just have sex with RS. Two cocks, one stone.

Lol.

Subbd.

Kick some ass jurgensplurgen. I'm coming back after some time off too bro. Same thing, not much size lost but strength took a shit without wiping.

 

[jurgensplurgen]

sex drive is no problem now! Found the sweet spot with the npp, and I am goooood to go. Beat it up so bad the last three days she could t walk the kids to school this morning. I realized 100mg eod of npp is actually a pretty hefty dose for someone whose never run it before, dropping it to 50 to 75 eod is perfect. Im aiming for right between as i want more than 200mg per week but less than 300, keeping at least half again as much test as npp. Im also going to throw a little test e in now before i increase the dose later, that way i can use slightly less prop, and have. little cushion... if shit hits the fan and i have to miss a pin, id rather have a little long ester floating around to keep me from coming down too fast.

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[RockShawn]

...but it might take months to be able to have "good sex" with a girl...

Alternatively you could go back to having sex with boys. That's what RS does while on cycle. Oh oh, here's an idea... just have sex with RS. Two cocks, one stone.

Lol.

Subbd.

Kick some ass jurgensplurgen. I'm coming back after some time off too bro. Same thing, not much size lost but strength took a shit without wiping.

Alright, I'm banning your ass! 🙂

 

[dowork]

Just stay away from my ass, that's all I ask. And my mouth, stay away from my mouth.

 

[GRIM]

Just stay away from my ass, that's all I ask. And my mouth, stay away from my mouth.

he didnt say his cawk!