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I find this whole conversation quite interesting.......and I'm real impressed (for the most part) by the way you fellas conducted yourselves. Hanzo....stop judging Morrey... Morrey stop instigating Hanzo.
Odin, DoWork.....You're perfectly entitled to have your own religious (or absence thereof) beliefs. That doesn't change the fact somebody is right and somebody is wrong.
Jesus was real....this is a proven fact. Writings, teachings, eye-witnesses...etc. Proof!
God doesn't make things happen to people, Life happens to people.
Just because people Pray and they don't get what they ask for doesn't mean God isn't listening or care. God cares enough to not give you everything you want. He does; however, give you everything you need.
If Jesus wasn't really the Son of God, then why did the 12 disciples (except for John) all die a Martyr's death for Jesus?
Sure, you can say "people die all the time for a god they think is real (Islam for example). But, the difference here is: All the Disciples, every single one of them, fled in fear for their lives when Jesus was captured. They ALL abandoned him, scattered, left him to be scourged, and hung on a tree. Because they thought it was over, they thought Jesus maybe wasn't who He said He was, that maybe he was a liar and a lunatic. But then, they turned around, and they set the world on fire!!!! Peter became the father of Catholism, Paul was the greatest Disciple ever, Mark, Andrew, Batholemew, all of them were killed for their belief, when they thought only a little while ago, Jesus was wrong. So what happened, what caused them to turn from sniveling cowards who ran away to the worlds greatest evangelists? They all died knowing either Jesus was the true Son of God, (because they had seen him resurrected), or they died because they knew he was a liar, fake, and fanatic! Tell me, who dies for someone knowing that they are liars and a phony? No-one does...Islamists die believing in something, believing it to be truth. These disciples died having witnessed the death and burial of Jesus. So, either he was raised from the Dead and they witnessed it, or; it was all a colossal waste of time
Odin, DoWork.....You're perfectly entitled to have your own religious (or absence thereof) beliefs. That doesn't change the fact somebody is right and somebody is wrong.
Jesus was real....this is a proven fact. Writings, teachings, eye-witnesses...etc. Proof!
God doesn't make things happen to people, Life happens to people.
Just because people Pray and they don't get what they ask for doesn't mean God isn't listening or care. God cares enough to not give you everything you want. He does; however, give you everything you need.
If Jesus wasn't really the Son of God, then why did the 12 disciples (except for John) all die a Martyr's death for Jesus?
Sure, you can say "people die all the time for a god they think is real (Islam for example). But, the difference here is: All the Disciples, every single one of them, fled in fear for their lives when Jesus was captured. They ALL abandoned him, scattered, left him to be scourged, and hung on a tree. Because they thought it was over, they thought Jesus maybe wasn't who He said He was, that maybe he was a liar and a lunatic. But then, they turned around, and they set the world on fire!!!! Peter became the father of Catholism, Paul was the greatest Disciple ever, Mark, Andrew, Batholemew, all of them were killed for their belief, when they thought only a little while ago, Jesus was wrong. So what happened, what caused them to turn from sniveling cowards who ran away to the worlds greatest evangelists? They all died knowing either Jesus was the true Son of God, (because they had seen him resurrected), or they died because they knew he was a liar, fake, and fanatic! Tell me, who dies for someone knowing that they are liars and a phony? No-one does...Islamists die believing in something, believing it to be truth. These disciples died having witnessed the death and burial of Jesus. So, either he was raised from the Dead and they witnessed it, or; it was all a colossal waste of time
