LittleTom said:
Oh by the way scientifically yes, those are the only things. You want to talk about a soul and conscious... those things are theory.
LittleTom
To qualify under the Scientific Method, something must be able to either be reproduced or proven false in the laboratory.
Creation nor Evolution can be reproduced or proven false in a laboratory,
therefore they are not Physical, but MetaPhysical theories, and do not qualify under the Scientific Method.
A person has to believe, or have faith, that one or the other is true.
Because, either:
1) the universe has always existed(ETERNAL)
2) the universe created itself and everything in it(EVOLUTION)
3) the universe was created(CREATION)
We can observe that the universe had a beginning, and that everything is traveling away from a central point at which it began, so that rules out an ETERNAL universe.
And the FACT that 'EVERYTHING' is here(EXISTS),
AND that 'NOTHING can not create 'EVERYTHING', or even 'ANYTHING',
because 'NOTHING'(NO THING), by definition DOES NOT EXIST,
IS logical PROOF that Evolution is False.
Because Evolution says that NO THING created EVERY THING!!!
I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FAITH TO BE AN ATHEIST
(btw, which is the title of a great book,
https://www.amazon.com/Dont-Have-Enough-Faith-Atheist/dp/1581345615 )
Now, as I stated before, if this is all a cosmic accident(which is what the Theory of Evolution is, a mindless, unguided cosmic lottery), then NO ONE MATTERS.
About CONSCIOUSNESS,
Question: If someone tries to assault your Mom, wife or child, are you going to do something?
The obvious answer is yes.
Question: But why?
And the obvious answer again is BECAUSE THEY DO MATTER.
You know they matter because it is written on your consciousness.
(The Bible clearly states that God's law is written on our hearts in Romans chapter 1 and 2)
But if Evolution is true, then they really JUST DON'T MATTER AND NEITHER DO YOU, or me, or anyone else.
Now, a chimpazee, doesn't have self-awareness. Not like we do.
They have a self-preservation instinct, and they will flee from humans, in the wild.
BUT, not because they KNOW that you are a human.
They DO NOT KNOW that they are chimpazee, or that you are human.
They don't understand the concept of CHIMPAZEE-NESS or HUMAN-NESS(what it means to be a human)
They just have an instinct to flee from what they 'sense' to be danger.
BUT, you KNOW that you are human and they are a chimp.
You know and understand HUMAN-NESS, and the concept of CHIMP-NESS
They DON'T KNOW that they are a chimp, or that you are a human, because they don't have self-awareness.
Now, self-awareness(consciousness) does not qualify under the Scientific Method either, because it can neither be proven, nor disproven, in a laboratory, so it also is a MetaPhysical theory.
But would anyone hear argue that self-awareness simply doesn't exist. I think we are all above that.
Rene Descarte(philosopher) is regarded as having cleared this up in his famous statement, "Cogito ergo sum",
"I think, therefore I am".
Which, actually in it's fuller form is, "dubito, ergo cogito, ergo sum" ("I doubt, therefore I think, therefore I am").
Descartes asserted that the very act of doubting one's own existence served—at minimum—as proof of the reality of one's own mind; there must be a thinking entity—in this case the self—for there to be a thought.
My point is still that WE ALL MATTER because God said we matter.
“For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16
