Yikes, I was being nice to you my man and you're going to tell me I'm misinformed? Anyone that knows me will tell you I have forgotten more on AAS than 99% out there know. I am close friends with competitors at many levels and know how high people dose.. almost all competitors do. I also know people for a fact on less than I've ever taken that are dry. Vascular as hell, national level. I know these people in real life or at least communicate closely to them, not something I've learned off of a forum or from what someone whom can't speak proper English and calls himself a God gas told anyone. I know people who lie as well, believe what you want brother, but you'll find different info on every forum you to to. Unless you experiment at high and low doses and find what you need for certain things yourself, you'll never know.