When do you inject your hgh?

[Boston597]

I've tried it a few ways first I ran 2am @7 am 2pm @ 10 pm wasn't really getting what I wanted.plus I work crazy hrs 11pm - 7 am.I felt like I wasn't really doing it at the optimum time.so I switched to 4 ius in am of a few hrs b4 workout. After a few days I was so lethargic I didn't want to even go to gym.my 3rd try worked out best for my work hrs and whacky sleep habits. I ran 2 ius am a couple hrs b4 gym lets say at 8 am then again 2ius at 4 pm which is when I would nap b4 work and it was pretty good at that schedule. We're all different but that worked for me

 

[JuicedVenom]

T-4 is needed and 100 mcg of synthroid is a great dose for me

 

[Skunx]

The serostim pamphlet says to inject the full dose right before bed. That is what I do, regardless of dose size. Then upon waking 150mgs t4 on an empty stomach.

 

[TheMuscleMan]

Dave actually said that if you take your total amount of ius per week and split them up into EOD shots you can avoid CTS

Thanks
TMM

 

[tkasch30]

Found out my sister in laws kid is on Dr prescribed hgh and Dr says take it before bed so I'm going with what the doc says

 

[Wacker]

I was taking 100mcg t4 on 4iu day and felt great..

Can your body become dependant on taking t3/t4 and shut natural production down? What are the risks?

Using HGH will slow down or shut down your T4 production so supplementing with T4 will just keep you levels at or near normal. I have found that 100-200mcg of T4 is a good spot for me depending on how much HGh I am using. There are no studies that I have seen showing long term or short term use will damage your thyroid, in fact there are a few studies that show even after a year or more the thyroid returns to normal production within two weeks of stopping T4 or T3.

As far as when to pin my coach like TMM has me pin right after working out to maximize growth. The inserts in the seros and other pharmacy grade products are based on people that actually are not producing GH and need it to replicate our natural release or have Aids it is not meant for BB so the time and dose printed in the package is pretty irrelevant IMO unless you have aids or ar trying to correct GH defect.

 

[tkasch30]

Using HGH will slow down or shut down your T4 production so supplementing with T4 will just keep you levels at or near normal. I have found that 100-200mcg of T4 is a good spot for me depending on how much HGh I am using. There are no studies that I have seen showing long term or short term use will damage your thyroid, in fact there are a few studies that show even after a year or more the thyroid returns to normal production within two weeks of stopping T4 or T3.

As far as when to pin my coach like TMM has me pin right after working out to maximize growth. The inserts in the seros and other pharmacy grade products are based on people that actually are not producing GH and need it to replicate our natural release or have Aids it is not meant for BB so the time and dose printed in the package is pretty irrelevant IMO unless you have aids or ar trying to correct GH defect.

injecting any amount of hgh would screw up your bodies natural production so seems to me like we would correcting GH defect. Your body grows at night while we sleep

 

[Wacker]

injecting any amount of hgh would screw up your bodies natural production so seems to me like we would correcting GH defect. Your body grows at night while we sleep

Well we only release natural GH at night when we reach REM sleep so if you pin at night your body will not need to produce a natural release. Pinning after a workout will not interfere with this and yes we grow at night weather we workout or not , but if you want to maximize your growth and your GH you pin when your body will start repair, jus like food we don't wait to eat till bedtime we plan nutrients around workouts to maximize or growth.
You can pin before bed, it won't hurt its just not maximizing the growth you may be looking for.
As far as dose goes, TMM said his coach has him take his total iu's for the week and break up into eod for CTs reduction. My coach has me now taking the total weekly dose and breaking it into four large post workout pins on major muscle workout days. Seems to be adding size at a much faster rate than pinning Ed. Again based on creating a environment of maximum growth not fat loss.

 

[Skunx]

To parallel off what wacker said a out t3/t4... I am also yet to find any legitimate information on how supplementing t3/t4 can permanently affect natural production. I have spent a great deal of time researching medical journals, and even up to 200mcgs t4 supplementing daily, after two weeks production is returned to normal. I second that .

However, the reason the pamphlet on seros states takes the entire dose at night is because that is when your body can utilize is best. Your biggest natural gh pulse is during your sleep, and that is when your body can best use it. Also, in sleep mode your body is repairing, rebuilding and recovering. That is when your muscles grow, to me it seems a no brainier that is the time to take it.

You referred to aids patients, many of them are in a weight lifting and exercising protocol to halt wasting, and build new lean tissue. maintsining snd building lean tissue is why hiv positive people take hgh. , so this protocol they follow does indeed pertain to us.

 

[Skunx]

Wacker, another thing .... We do not only produce and secrete gh only at night during rem sleep. Men produce their biggest pulse while sleeping yes, but we also have smaller pulses through out the day. Women tend to secrete up to two times as much gh duringthe day as men. Not sure when your getting your info but you should do some more research before handing out advice bud...

Lastly. There is two methods of thought on stunting natural gh production with synthetic gh administration. I am yet to find any divinitive information, but the theory that makes most sense to me is that you do inhibit your natural production with gh use. again though, I am yet to find any divinitive information, and i have most definitely done my share of research. If you can steer me towards any research that says other wise I would love to check it out.

 

[JuicedVenom]

I do nighttime pins. Tried Em all and nighttime works best for me.

 

[drakonrep]

GH injections are person and age dependant

if you are over 40 then injecting at night is the best since our natural biggest GH pulse is released at night so the body is used to this

however if you are 35 and below then injecting first thing in the morning when cortisol is high (by nature, to wake you up) is very smart and then if you are injecting more then 3IU per day split the injects into 2-3IU shots over the course of the day. this mimics the natural pulses of the GH by nature. also feel free to swtich the timings up a bit since nature is doing this also and its never same amount at the same time

this is in contrast to AAS which is preferred to be injected at the same time every day or whenever you inject to keep the bloodlevels as stable as possible

 

[Wacker]

Wacker, another thing .... We do not only produce and secrete gh only at night during rem sleep. Men produce their biggest pulse while sleeping yes, but we also have smaller pulses through out the day. Women tend to secrete up to two times as much gh duringthe day as men. Not sure when your getting your info but you should do some more research before handing out advice bud...

Lastly. There is two methods of thought on stunting natural gh production with synthetic gh administration. I am yet to find any divinitive information, but the theory that makes most sense to me is that you do inhibit your natural production with gh use. again though, I am yet to find any divinitive information, and i have most definitely done my share of research. If you can steer me towards any research that says other wise I would love to check it out.

We get our biggest natural production when we sleep, if you are going to supplement HGH the best time is when insulin is low, post workout, with the administering of insulin 30-40 min later. Many bodybuilders, choose to use GH twice daily, the one optimal time is post workout while the other is first thing in the morning when cortisol is high. If you feel that overloading your natural production at night works better for you than feel free to pin then, I do not. I prefer to take mine when my body need it the most and has the proper nutrients available to grow.

And while AIDS patients may workout they are not doing 18iu before bed to look good they are doing it to try and survive, most likely are not on AAS, strict diets etc.. as body builders. Will it work yes and if you pin 18iu at anytime of the day it will work, try and keep your eyes open after pinning 18ius and you will quickly see why they pin at night it is not for maximizing growth. I do not see any correlation between BB's and AIDS patients on dosing or time of pin....


This is from BASSKILLERS Website written by Leigh Penman:

Is there a best time of day for administration?

"The body produces HGH in a continuous pulsatile fashion throughout the day with the highest pulses occurring approximately 2-3 hours after going to bed and falling into deep sleep. Injectable HGH is completely absorbed and activates within approximately 3 hours. The strategy with respect to timing depends somewhat on age and other elements of the cycle. There is no single best strategy...it depends a lot on your individual situation."

Can you give us some examples?

"For those in their late 20's to early 50's, there is a chance that the endogenous production of HGH is still at a reasonable level. The best time to take an injection in this case would be early morning...after your body's own release of HGH in the night. If you get up to go to the bathroom in the early morning, this is probably the perfect time to take a couple of units of HGH. The second best time would be first thing in the morning when you wake up.

"If you are splitting your doses, it is good to take them when your cortisol levels are at a peak, which is when you wake up and in the early afternoon. Cortisol is very catabolic by nature and a well-timed HGH injection can go a long way to blunting this effect.

"Yet another strategy should be considered if one is using insulin with HGH. Insulin should be used immediately post work out. HGH and insulin do some great things together - they shuttle nutrients in a very complimentary way to each other - and the combination of HGH and insulin create the best environment for IGF-1 production. If one is using insulin immediately post workout, this would be a recommended time to take a number of units of HGH."

 

[Wacker]

To parallel off what wacker said a out t3/t4... I am also yet to find any legitimate information on how supplementing t3/t4 can permanently affect natural production. I have spent a great deal of time researching medical journals, and even up to 200mcgs t4 supplementing daily, after two weeks production is returned to normal. I second that .

However, the reason the pamphlet on seros states takes the entire dose at night is because that is when your body can utilize is best. Your biggest natural gh pulse is during your sleep, and that is when your body can best use it. Also, in sleep mode your body is repairing, rebuilding and recovering. That is when your muscles grow, to me it seems a no brainier that is the time to take it.

You referred to aids patients, many of them are in a weight lifting and exercising protocol to halt wasting, and build new lean tissue. maintsining snd building lean tissue is why hiv positive people take hgh. , so this protocol they follow does indeed pertain to us.

So with the use of AAS and HGH and Slin your saying your only repairing, rebuilding and recovering while you sleep? I will have to rethink everything now...so are you also saying that I only need nutrients before bed that the rest of the day is a waste because we are only growing or repairing when we sleep? To think we have wasted years on planing macros around our workouts and ensuring we never are at a defecate so that we are always in a state of growth.

 

[tkasch30]

I think what skunx and I are saying is once you start using synthetic gh your natural production, pulses and all that are going b to be different anyway. So saying your using synthetic gh not at night won't mess up your natural production I'm not sure that's true

 

[tkasch30]

So with the use of AAS and HGH and Slin your saying your only repairing, rebuilding and recovering while you sleep? I will have to rethink everything now...so are you also saying that I only need nutrients before bed that the rest of the day is a waste because we are only growing or repairing when we sleep? To think we have wasted years on planing macros around our workouts and ensuring we never are at a defecate so that we are always in a state of growth.

I don't think he means ONLY repairing , rebuilding and recovery at night but the majority of it yes probably at night. So the same reason a dr would tell a parents child to take gh before bed is the same reason a BB or any one would take it before bed...i think it's where the body is best at rebuilding, recovering and all that. I'm not an expert so including Slin could change that but I'm talking gh by itself

 

[tkasch30]

Maybe the man you bought gh from Nobel will chime in but pretty sure he agrees with before bed pins are best for growth and he's known as the expert of gh

 

[Wacker]

I don't think he means ONLY repairing , rebuilding and recovery at night but the majority of it yes probably at night. So the same reason a dr would tell a parents child to take gh before bed is the same reason a BB or any one would take it before bed...i think it's where the body is best at rebuilding, recovering and all that. I'm not an expert so including Slin could change that but I'm talking gh by itself

Yes but the point is children are taking it at night because they lack the natural production, if we are still producing GH why wouldn't you want to take advantage of what your injecting and use when your body could use it the most like the three examples I posted? No one is saying it wont work at night! Given a number of things you could get a much bigger bang for your buck by utilizing HGH at different times.

"People in the age group between early 30’s and early 50’s that are dosing once a day can also benefit from injectable HGH use. However, in some cases the natural production of Growth hormone still at a reasonable level. Clinical studies have shown that for this age group the best time to take HGH would be early in the morning. The reason for this is that after a good night sleep your body has released on its own HGH. Taking HGH injections after you wake up provide the most benefits during the day, as one becomes more active , metabolism accelerates, and cells keep regenerating. If you are taking HGH injections in 2 doses it is bet to take the injections when you awake and early afternoon. this is when cortisol levels are at peak. Hence taking your dosage of HGH injections at these times will bring the most benefits. It is also important lo lower the intake of carbohydrates before any injectable HGH use.

For people in the age group of 50’s and above , the best time to take HGH injections would be right before going to bed. Human Growth Hormone deficiency in older adults can cause a condition in the pituitary gland making it impotent to normal Growth Hormone release. By taking injectable HGH before going to bed you are mimicking the natural secretion patter pattern that would occur if the pituitary gland was in normal function."

Can you give us some examples?

"For those in their late 20's to early 50's, there is a chance that the endogenous production of HGH is still at a reasonable level. The best time to take an injection in this case would be early morning...after your body's own release of HGH in the night. If you get up to go to the bathroom in the early morning, this is probably the perfect time to take a couple of units of HGH. The second best time would be first thing in the morning when you wake up.

"If you are splitting your doses, it is good to take them when your cortisol levels are at a peak, which is when you wake up and in the early afternoon. Cortisol is very catabolic by nature and a well-timed HGH injection can go a long way to blunting this effect.

"Yet another strategy should be considered if one is using insulin with HGH. Insulin should be used immediately post work out. HGH and insulin do some great things together - they shuttle nutrients in a very complimentary way to each other - and the combination of HGH and insulin create the best environment for IGF-1 production. If one is using insulin immediately post workout, this would be a recommended time to take a number of units of HGH.

 

[Skunx]

Off to the gym now, I will update with my thoughts a little today boys.....

 

[Skunx]

So with the use of AAS and HGH and Slin your saying your only repairing, rebuilding and recovering while you sleep? I will have to rethink everything now...so are you also saying that I only need nutrients before bed that the rest of the day is a waste because we are only growing or repairing when we sleep? To think we have wasted years on planing macros around our workouts and ensuring we never are at a defecate so that we are always in a state of growth.

It's not rocket science, nor a far fetched idea to ink your body does most of its rebuilding and repairing while sleeping. While awake your body is focusing on breaking down and digesting your food, and providing energy expenditure to fuel your day. That is why we eat the way we eat during the day. If you loaded up on the wrong food, as you would know, you would be storing much of the nutrients as fat. I am not saying we do not repair while we are awake, I AM saying we mainly repair while sleeping. There are many medical journals, and scientific data to back this theory up. A simple look at our hormones while sleeping also backs this as well. When is our main growth hormone pulse released, at what time is our body's natural testosterone levels the highest? Why do you think body builders insist on sleeping at least 8 hours a night, and why do we take naps when bulking?

Secondly, to my knowledge, there is no clinical data or divinitive facts that exogenous hgh administration does or does not inhibit natural production. If I am wrong, or there is any medical trials you know of please provide them. I would love to see them. Much of the "bro-science" you are referring to is just that. Bro-science. Not saying it is all untrue, but there is no concrete evidence backing any of it.

I always think of the bros swearing up and down you have to run your test 1.5 x higher than deca or your dick won't work. As I am reading that nonsense I am enjoying a trt dose of test with 800mgs weekly of deca, having sex very night. It's nothing more than bro science.....

With a general understanding of hormones, and how the body works, it is always striving to reach homeostasis. I can only assume any exogenous hgh administration will inhibit natural hgh secretion. Your body in every instance, whether it's insulin, aas, pharmaceuticals, psych meds, etc will always strive for a level l playing field. This is not only speculation, more of an educated guess if you will. Your stating a night shot will inhibit natural secretion but day time shots will not, is nothing more than speculation. Again, if you have any evidence to back your theory I am all ears.....