When do you inject your hgh?

[Wacker]

It's not rocket science, nor a far fetched idea to ink your body does most of its rebuilding and repairing while sleeping. While awake your body is focusing on breaking down and digesting your food, and providing energy expenditure to fuel your day. That is why we eat the way we eat during the day. If you loaded up on the wrong food, as you would know, you would be storing much of the nutrients as fat. I am not saying we do not repair while we are awake, I AM saying we mainly repair while sleeping. There are many medical journals, and scientific data to back this theory up. A simple look at our hormones while sleeping also backs this as well. When is our main growth hormone pulse released, at what time is our body's natural testosterone levels the highest? Why do you think body builders insist on sleeping at least 8 hours a night, and why do we take naps when bulking?

Secondly, to my knowledge, there is no clinical data or divinitive facts that exogenous hgh administration does or does not inhibit natural production. If I am wrong, or there is any medical trials you know of please provide them. I would love to see them. Much of the "bro-science" you are referring to is just that. Bro-science. Not saying it is all untrue, but there is no concrete evidence backing any of it.

I always think of the bros swearing up and down you have to run your test 1.5 x higher than deca or your dick won't work. As I am reading that nonsense I am enjoying a trt dose of test with 800mgs weekly of deca, having sex very night. It's nothing more than bro science.....

With a general understanding of hormones, and how the body works, it is always striving to reach homeostasis. I can only assume any exogenous hgh administration will inhibit natural hgh secretion. Your body in every instance, whether it's insulin, aas, pharmaceuticals, psych meds, etc will always strive for a level l playing field. This is not only speculation, more of an educated guess if you will. Your stating a night shot will inhibit natural secretion but day time shots will not, is nothing more than speculation. Again, if you have any evidence to back your theory I am all ears.....

Oh boy another Bro science bot...you spout the same shit with no studies and claim everyone is preaching. Tell you what you pin when you want and when you find one study that says pining GH only at night will promote the most benefit other than a pamphlet meant for kids and aids patients we can finish this conversation. You are so caught up with having a higher level at night your missing the many benefits of using GH and IGF.

 

[Wacker]

Dave Palumbo and Chris Aceto have me taking my HGH after I train.

Thanks
TMM

This is interesting two top level trainers and body builders saying the best time to use GH is after training, most likely derived from years of experience and producing winners....hmm I wonder if they read the pamphlet for kids and aids patients.

 

[Skunx]

Bro science bot huh. Let's recap on some of your posts...according to you, the serostim pamphlet instructions are irrelevant to body building, your only pulse of gh is at night (you later corrected yourself in your next post), you seem more concerned with your ability to grow during the day, then for some reason you feel you will only inhibit natural gh secretion with night shots?

All of your posts are irrelevant, and not based on anything but you parroting bad information (and making some up) that you read on the bro-science fueled forums. I have no interest in wrong information that has been regurgitated through dozens of mouths that don't understand the basic process to begin with.

I never once said the "only" way to use hgh was before bed. There is always more than one way to skin a cat. I simply said I do what the serostim pamphlet says to do. Myself, I have tried a few doffer not protocols and this works best for me. You were the one stating the serostim instructions are irreverent to body building, which is 100% untrue. This is why I rebuttaled to begin with.

When you come on these forums and regurgitate wrong information expect to be corrected bro....

 

[Wacker]

Bro science bot huh. Let's recap on some of your posts...according to you, the serostim pamphlet instructions are irrelevant to body building, your only pulse of gh is at night (you later corrected yourself in your next post), you seem more concerned with your ability to grow during the day, then for some reason you feel you will only inhibit natural gh secretion with night shots?

All of your posts are irrelevant, and not based on anything but you parroting bad information (and making some up) that you read on the bro-science fueled forums. I have no interest in wrong information that has been regurgitated through dozens of mouths that don't understand the basic process to begin with.

I never once said the "only" way to use hgh was before bed. There is always more than one way to skin a cat. I simply said I do what the serostim pamphlet says to do. Myself, I have tried a few doffer not protocols and this works best for me. You were the one stating the serostim instructions are irreverent to body building, which is 100% untrue. This is why I rebuttaled to begin with.

When you come on these forums and regurgitate wrong information expect to be corrected bro....

So what information have you corrected? One mistype I agreed was incorrect, you have posted no studies, no proof, no results, weather a study of your own? You have corrected shit "bro"!
Are you saying there is no fact in cortisol levels, and the effects GH has on them? Are you saying and proving that despite the fact your baseline levels will return to normal in about 4-6 hours after pinning that your body stops all production of GH? And if you read back my point is that that it is best to use post workout not just during the day. If you workout at night I still believe that you should pin post work out not right before bed unless your over 50-60 when you are close to making any naturally.
So again you talk shit but have zero to back it up...if you do I will gladly rethink my pin schedule. So I leave the ball in your court hero prove I am wrong with more than a bro science post let's see your studies.

 

[tkasch30]

Lol this is getting heated. Haha. I made this thread to see if anybody had any solid evidence that says best time to inject but I guess it's not out there? Or we just don't know it. The only thing I had that made me think before bed was jshredz said so... Lol and the kid that produced to little gh was instructed by Dr to inject before bed and it's worked for him? But if anybody has solid proof please post it up

 

[Wacker]

Lol this is getting heated. Haha. I made this thread to see if anybody had any solid evidence that says best time to inject but I guess it's not out there? Or we just don't know it. The only thing I had that made me think before bed was jshredz said so... Lol and the kid that produced to little gh was instructed by Dr to inject before bed and it's worked for him? But if anybody has solid proof please post it up

Your right this has gotten stupid, the fact is there are no studies that I have ever seen or even seen posted on the best time for a bb to use GH. What we can draw on is what has worked the best for others look at the to pro's that advise TMM and the time they suggest. When our body's begin and need repair if post work out hence the need for protein and such after we workout. Can we say that at least with out the need for a Google search on some random study? If so also consider cortisol and the detrimental effects on building muscle, there are studies that show GH will reduce or stop those negative effects.
Now conclude for yourself if your spending a lot of money when you think it will benefit you the most. And I do not believe that given the short life of GH that if you pin at least 4 hours before bed that you will stop the bigger natural release we get 3-4 hours into a deep sleep. This is discussed in Whilliam LLewellyns book in detail with study's and charts, I don't have the time to cut and paste but Hanzo posted the link somewhere.

 

[tkasch30]

I can see the reasoning behind both. I've heard top pros say they do before bed & ive heard postworkout but...who knows I guess. I don't know that I've ever really seen much proof that protein after workout really helps? I do it but does it really matter? Honestly don't know..

 

[Skunx]

Listen you schmuck, here are your studies. I am assuming you are incapable of doing a simple google search yourself, that must be why you are consistently posting wrong, in-accurate information. Here is some knowledge, you are welcome for doing the research for you.....

you said gh pulses were only made during REM sleep, this below will teach you otherwise \/
http://www.yourhormones.info/hormones/growth_hormone.aspx

You said injecting hgh at night (following the serostim pamphlet instructions) is irrelevant to body building. Here is research showing it slowing/halting wasting and building muscles \/
http://mobile.aidsmap.com/Human-growth-hormone/page/1731628

In reference to sleep being the main time your body recovers and builds muscle \/
http://healthysleep.med.harvard.edu/healthy/matters/benefits-of-sleep/why-do-we-sleep

I have already stated more than once I am yet to find anything solid in regards to hgh administration halting natural secretion. More than once I have said it was only my educated guess.

The hard part of dealing with you is once you are called out you change your theory with out admitting being wrong. You much remind me of arguing with a child that won't admit guilt.

One more thing, I never said your protocol did not work, YOU SAID MINE DOESNT. I do believe yours will work, I simply stated what I do. And it seems your mouth got you into a situation your knowledge can't cash. You stated my protocol (which many use with great success) doesn't work and it irreverent to body building, among other stupid claims. AGAIN Before you make stupid nonsense posts you should do your research homie

I'm done arguing with you. But if I catch you posting bullshit stuff that isn't true I'm gonna call you out on it dude!!

 

[jshredz]

Listen you schmuck, here are your studies. I am assuming you are incapable of doing a simple google search yourself, that must be why you are consistently posting wrong, in-accurate information. Here is some knowledge, you are welcome for doing the research for you.....

you said gh pulses were only made during REM sleep, this below will teach you otherwise \/
http://www.yourhormones.info/hormones/growth_hormone.aspx

You said injecting hgh at night (following the serostim pamphlet instructions) is irrelevant to body building. Here is research showing it slowing/halting wasting and building muscles \/
http://mobile.aidsmap.com/Human-growth-hormone/page/1731628

In reference to sleep being the main time your body recovers and builds muscle \/
http://healthysleep.med.harvard.edu/healthy/matters/benefits-of-sleep/why-do-we-sleep

I have already stated more than once I am yet to find anything solid in regards to hgh administration halting natural secretion. More than once I have said it was only my educated guess.

The hard part of dealing with you is once you are called out you change your theory with out admitting being wrong. You much remind me of arguing with a child that won't admit guilt.

One more thing, I never said your protocol did not work, YOU SAID MINE DOESNT. I do believe yours will work, I simply stated what I do. And it seems your mouth got you into a situation your knowledge can't cash. You stated my protocol (which many use with great success) doesn't work and it irreverent to body building, among other stupid claims. AGAIN Before you make stupid nonsense posts you should do your research homie

I'm done arguing with you. But if I catch you posting bullshit stuff that isn't true I'm gonna call you out on it dude!!

Guys debate all you want but no name calling.. Debates can heated because we're all passionate about BB but let's stay on topic.
No name calling!! Its uncalled for and immature.

 

[jshredz]

I can see the reasoning behind both. I've heard top pros say they do before bed & ive heard postworkout but...who knows I guess. I don't know that I've ever really seen much proof that protein after workout really helps? I do it but does it really matter? Honestly don't know..

Fuck it. If I was single and rich I'd be pinning 6iu with every meal... LOL

 

[Wacker]

Listen you schmuck, here are your studies. I am assuming you are incapable of doing a simple google search yourself, that must be why you are consistently posting wrong, in-accurate information. Here is some knowledge, you are welcome for doing the research for you.....

you said gh pulses were only made during REM sleep, this below will teach you otherwise \/
http://www.yourhormones.info/hormones/growth_hormone.aspx

You said injecting hgh at night (following the serostim pamphlet instructions) is irrelevant to body building. Here is research showing it slowing/halting wasting and building muscles \/
http://mobile.aidsmap.com/Human-growth-hormone/page/1731628

In reference to sleep being the main time your body recovers and builds muscle \/
http://healthysleep.med.harvard.edu/healthy/matters/benefits-of-sleep/why-do-we-sleep

I have already stated more than once I am yet to find anything solid in regards to hgh administration halting natural secretion. More than once I have said it was only my educated guess.

The hard part of dealing with you is once you are called out you change your theory with out admitting being wrong. You much remind me of arguing with a child that won't admit guilt.

One more thing, I never said your protocol did not work, YOU SAID MINE DOESNT. I do believe yours will work, I simply stated what I do. And it seems your mouth got you into a situation your knowledge can't cash. You stated my protocol (which many use with great success) doesn't work and it irreverent to body building, among other stupid claims. AGAIN Before you make stupid nonsense posts you should do your research homie

I'm done arguing with you. But if I catch you posting bullshit stuff that isn't true I'm gonna call you out on it dude!!

lol calm down and take your AI sweetheart no need for name calling, but again you have debunked nothing a post about aids victims and children "same" info but tell me this with all the AAS do you feel your in a state of muscle wasting when you sleep or repair because you eat right and are taking AAS? Yea I already said I misspoke the biggest spike is in rem sleep not the only one so the point is if you take before bed your knocking out your biggest natural spike (yes you caught me I give you two stars) but you still refuse to look at the point I was making. And I never said we do not recover and grow in our sleep? Listen if you want to pin at night feel free but for my money I will pin when I want to force growth when I normally would not get it, why refuse to do so? Again you are blind by anger or some alter ego that you feel you are saving the BB world from misinformation when you have posted nothing that changes any of the points made. I am pretty sure I even said in there that you can pin before bed but IMO and apparently other top trainers and coaches the optimal time is post workout.
If all your trying to do is prove I am wrong please feel free but nothing I see proves I am not or for that matter that you are not!

 

[tkasch30]

Fuck it. If I was single and rich I'd be pinning 6iu with every meal... LOL

lol same here!!

 

[Wacker]

lol same here!!

Add in some slin and we might get as big as jshredz one day tkash 😉

 

[Skunx]

I never discredited your protocol. I am definitely interested in it, and will do some research. To be completely honest, i believe you can inject hgh any way you want to and if it's real if will work. Every protocol I have tried has worked well, just seems nights are the most convenient and produce well for me.

 

[Daredevil]

All this talk about HGH makes me want to give it another run. Last time I did it I ran it up to 6ius a day. Think I would have more of an impact if I ran it longer and up to 8ius a day.

Not to really sidetrack the discussion but at how many ius a day do you have to run to start worrying about insulin levels?

 

[tkasch30]

Another reason I thought before bed was heard a lot of guys say it made them so tired

 

[Wacker]

Another reason I thought before bed was heard a lot of guys say it made them so tired

That is a issue for me as well more for the first week or two, but what does help alleviate that is the use of T4 upon waking. I have to figure out how to copy the chart on the GH pulses that shows the spikes and estimated amounts in men. When you see it, it would help illustrate what I was trying to say. Its not that you cant or shouldn't pin at night , I workout at night so I pin my biggest dose right after I workout which is about 3 maybe 4 hours before I actually lay down to sleep, given the big natural spike is suppose to be about 3 hours after we fall asleep it is my opinion that I am still giving the GH time to clear and allow my body chance to add natural GH through our night time spike. I then add a lower dose in the am as soon as I wake up after a week or two of just post work out pins.

Ok I found the chart...take a look at how large the difference in the pulse is at night, now as far as I know there is no info that says if you pin HGH your shutting your system down but lets say we reduce the natural pulses, ok, if your going to reduce a spike and add synthetic gh isnt it logical to to so when we produce the least amount naturally?

 

[Wacker]

All this talk about HGH makes me want to give it another run. Last time I did it I ran it up to 6ius a day. Think I would have more of an impact if I ran it longer and up to 8ius a day.

Not to really sidetrack the discussion but at how many ius a day do you have to run to start worrying about insulin levels?

I do not recall ever seeing a set amount or duration, HGH may reduced sensitivity to insulin and raise blood sugar levels in some people not all. Insulin can be used to counter the effect on glucose sensitivity and has the added benefit of increasing receptor sensitivity to IGF-1 and a few other things. (there is a lot of info on insulin available)

 

[Daredevil]

Wacker, so any specific amount of time at 8iu a day max probably at a year or under you think it wouldn't affect your insulin/blood sugar level? I've heard rumors in past that it's really not a concern until a person hits 10iu a day or more. Just not sure.

 

[Wacker]

Wacker, so any specific amount of time at 8iu a day max probably at a year or under you think it wouldn't affect your insulin/blood sugar level? I've heard rumors in past that it's really not a concern until a person hits 10iu a day or more. Just not sure.

TBH I have not really seen any data that says a specific amount or time, I have done 4-6iu a day of pharm grade for a year and never had any issues but I cant say someone else would have the same results. I am now starting 6-8iu a day. I have seen some info that suggests doses of 8iu plus can be run in cycles like AAS to give your system reset and not affect your gains since you will see growth much faster than running just 2-4iu a day for a year.

One sure way to know is to get a blood glucose meter and check your numbers before you start and than once a week from there out, this will give you a heads up fast if things are going south.

10iu is a mans dose keep a log if you decide to use that much would be interesting to see your results.