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[GRIM]

the 47% do pay taxes....
not all of them get refunds either...
They might not pay FEDERAL income taxes they however pay taxes.

 

[GRIM]

One of my employees with 5 kids got back 10000$ I only sent in 2300 from his paychecks. Geuss what. All that money is fucking gone and he has nothing to show for it and his kids still are starving and have shitty clothes cause he parties it away an spent what was left on an old beat up expedition that doesn't even run now. How the fuck does that stimulate the economy!!!!????!! How.

that would be one of those fucked up cases that needs to be fixed.....

 

[Hanzo]

Furthermore, why should the 'rich' pay more for services from the government then the 'poor'? After all, the 'rich' don't get nearly the amount of services as the 'poor', like free food, housing, medical care, etc.

Why should the rich pay more in taxes anyway? Because they make more? That's called graduated taxes, and it's 1 of the planks of Marx's "Communist Manifesto", in order to create class envy. Apparently it's working.

 

[GRIM]

Furthermore, why should the 'rich' pay more for services from the government then the 'poor'? After all, the 'rich' don't get nearly the amount of services as the 'poor', like free food, housing, medical care, etc.

Why should the rich pay more in taxes anyway? Because they make more? That's called graduated taxes, and it's 1 of the planks of Marx's "Communist Manifesto", in order to create class envy. Apparently it's working.

they control most of the wealth, and they actually get the wealth back through the poor spending for products and services.
Basic economy, much of the richest Americans depend on these services for their wealth as much as the poor depend on it for their food.
Might not be right, but it's how it is now. The rich feed off the trough, don't fool yourself.

http://www.businessinsider.com/mitt-romneys-47-who-are-dependent-on-the-government-2012-9

 

[Hanzo]

Furthermore, why should the 'rich' pay more for services from the government then the 'poor'? After all, the 'rich' don't get nearly the amount of services as the 'poor', like free food, housing, medical care, etc.

Why should the rich pay more in taxes anyway? Because they make more? That's called graduated taxes, and it's 1 of the planks of Marx's "Communist Manifesto", in order to create class envy. Apparently it's working.

they control most of the wealth, and they actually get the wealth back through the poor spending for products and services.
Basic economy, much of the richest Americans depend on these services for their wealth as much as the poor depend on it for their food.
Might not be right, but it's how it is now. The rich feed off the trough, don't fool yourself.

http://www.businessinsider.com/mitt-romneys-47-who-are-dependent-on-the-government-2012-9

What a canard. Why should I read your links when you don't afford the same courtesy?

 

[morrey]

Furthermore, why should the 'rich' pay more for services from the government then the 'poor'? After all, the 'rich' don't get nearly the amount of services as the 'poor', like free food, housing, medical care, etc.

Why should the rich pay more in taxes anyway? Because they make more? That's called graduated taxes, and it's 1 of the planks of Marx's "Communist Manifesto", in order to create class envy. Apparently it's working.

they control most of the wealth, and they actually get the wealth back through the poor spending for products and services.
Basic economy, much of the richest Americans depend on these services for their wealth as much as the poor depend on it for their food.
Might not be right, but it's how it is now. The rich feed off the trough, don't fool yourself.

http://www.businessinsider.com/mitt-romneys-47-who-are-dependent-on-the-government-2012-9

What Grim said! 8)

 

[Hanzo]

Furthermore, why should the 'rich' pay more for services from the government then the 'poor'? After all, the 'rich' don't get nearly the amount of services as the 'poor', like free food, housing, medical care, etc.

Why should the rich pay more in taxes anyway? Because they make more? That's called graduated taxes, and it's 1 of the planks of Marx's "Communist Manifesto", in order to create class envy. Apparently it's working.

they control most of the wealth, and they actually get the wealth back through the poor spending for products and services.
Basic economy, much of the richest Americans depend on these services for their wealth as much as the poor depend on it for their food.
Might not be right, but it's how it is now. The rich feed off the trough, don't fool yourself.

http://www.businessinsider.com/mitt-romneys-47-who-are-dependent-on-the-government-2012-9

What Grim said! 8)

Ok morrey, why is it the 'rich' control most of the wealth? BECAUSE THEY EARNED IT.

D'uh, poor people don't buy the goods the so called 'rich' manufacture, because they're POOR. The middle class is the backbone of this country and our economy, and they're being squeezed out, not because of the 'rich', because of the government's over reaching policies, including the graduated tax system.

 

[RockShawn]

^^^ I'm in on this. Poor people bitch about the rich, but have no ambitious bone in their body.

 

[Hanzo]

Furthermore, why should the 'rich' pay more for services from the government then the 'poor'? After all, the 'rich' don't get nearly the amount of services as the 'poor', like free food, housing, medical care, etc.

Why should the rich pay more in taxes anyway? Because they make more? That's called graduated taxes, and it's 1 of the planks of Marx's "Communist Manifesto", in order to create class envy. Apparently it's working.

they control most of the wealth, and they actually get the wealth back through the poor spending for products and services.
Basic economy, much of the richest Americans depend on these services for their wealth as much as the poor depend on it for their food.
Might not be right, but it's how it is now. The rich feed off the trough, don't fool yourself.

http://www.businessinsider.com/mitt-romneys-47-who-are-dependent-on-the-government-2012-9

So, let me get this straight, in order to understand the logic of what you call 'basic economics'. The 'rich' depend on the government to take their money from them and give it to the poor in order for the poor to spend it on the goods and services provided by the 'rich'? Essentially giving the 'rich' their own money back to them? Ok.

And exactly what services provided by government do the 'rich' depend on? Is it food, housing, medical care, free cell phones, etc., etc., ad nauseum? But yet, the government has never made a profit on anything, and still they have $ to give away by the trillions. Did this $ come from the poor?
Have you ever gotten a job from a poor person? No, the wealthy create jobs, and profits, which enable them to pay higher wages and hire more workers.

My point is the tax burden is disproportionately shifted to the wealthy, simply because they are wealthy. It's not fair and shouldn't be legal, and wasn't before 1913, when the Income tax was invented out of thin air and passed in the middle of night when Congress was on recess. Since then, countless historians have proven the Amendment was passed nefariously, without the required number of State legislatures ever passing it.

 

[Bronco]

I'm sure a lot of the money GIVEN to the poor is mine also, and I can promise you I'm not anywhere close to rich.

Fair tax? Flat tax? Hmmm

 

[Hanzo]

I'm sure a lot of the money GIVEN to the poor is mine also, and I can promise you I'm not anywhere close to rich.

Fair tax? Flat tax? Hmmm

Exactly, that's why I posted 'rich'. Contrary to the Occupy Movement rubbish about the 1%'ers, which pay almost 40% of all taxes, their incomes start at $343,927 (yeah, they're all millionaires and billionaires, what bs). The top 10% start at $112,124 and pay a total of 70.47%. The top 25% start at $66,193 and pay 87.3%. The top 50% start at $32,396 and pay 97.75%. So, contrary to what others have posted, the bottom 50% pay essentially nothing (2.25%), and those that do get it all back, and then some.

I say Flat Tax.

 

[GRIM]

lmfao most rich didn't 'earn' it it was handed to them.
Yes some busted their ass off, but then again to say all poor are poor because they are lazy...
What do they depend on? Yet again lets take just Wal Mart numerous Corporate welfare projects from townships paying all the costs to build the utilities and more for the store, to the company DEPENDING on the government social system in order to subsidize their employees super pathetic wages and benefits.

The rich also make and produce products even the poor buy, get real...

This isn't rocket science...

 

[GRIM]

I'm sure a lot of the money GIVEN to the poor is mine also, and I can promise you I'm not anywhere close to rich.

Fair tax? Flat tax? Hmmm

As is money given to the rich...

 

[Bronco]

I'm sure a lot of the money GIVEN to the poor is mine also, and I can promise you I'm not anywhere close to rich.

Fair tax? Flat tax? Hmmm

As is money given to the rich...

Given from?

 

[GRIM]

I'm sure a lot of the money GIVEN to the poor is mine also, and I can promise you I'm not anywhere close to rich.

Fair tax? Flat tax? Hmmm

As is money given to the rich...

Given from?

your taxes taken from you...
I agree this welfare shit needs to be brought in.
I simply see both sides abusing it as the facts show...
Not simply 'poor'
Those who can work need to be forced off assistance and get a damn job.
Just as corporations need to stop feeding at the trough as well

 

[Hanzo]

lmfao most rich didn't 'earn' it it was handed to them.
Yes some busted their ass off, but then again to say all poor are poor because they are lazy...
What do they depend on? Yet again lets take just Wal Mart numerous Corporate welfare projects from townships paying all the costs to build the utilities and more for the store, to the company DEPENDING on the government social system in order to subsidize their employees super pathetic wages and benefits.

The rich also make and produce products even the poor buy, get real...

This isn't rocket science...

You're right, it isn't rocket science, yet you argue with truth staring you in your face, all because it doesn't jibe with grim's narrative of the way the world works. That's utter bs the rich had it given to them. Time for you to report back to the Daily Beast for your Occupy talking points. 😛

 

[Hanzo]

I'm sure a lot of the money GIVEN to the poor is mine also, and I can promise you I'm not anywhere close to rich.

Fair tax? Flat tax? Hmmm

As is money given to the rich...

Given from?

He doesn't cite facts when he has none. I guess the 'rich' are given as much tax $ as the poor. Hah!!

8)

 

[GRIM]

lmfao most rich didn't 'earn' it it was handed to them.
Yes some busted their ass off, but then again to say all poor are poor because they are lazy...
What do they depend on? Yet again lets take just Wal Mart numerous Corporate welfare projects from townships paying all the costs to build the utilities and more for the store, to the company DEPENDING on the government social system in order to subsidize their employees super pathetic wages and benefits.

The rich also make and produce products even the poor buy, get real...

This isn't rocket science...

You're right, it isn't rocket science, yet you argue with truth staring you in your face, all because it doesn't jibe with grim's narrative of the way the world works. That's utter bs the rich had it given to them. Time for you to report back to the Daily Beast for your Occupy talking points.

lol really? so a lot don't get it inherited hey?
wow guess all those inheritances are 'fake' such as the Hilton heirs and Wal Marts.
I speak facts, try again...

 

[GRIM]

I'm sure a lot of the money GIVEN to the poor is mine also, and I can promise you I'm not anywhere close to rich.

Fair tax? Flat tax? Hmmm

As is money given to the rich...

Given from?

He doesn't cite facts when he has none. I guess the 'rich' are given as much tax $ as the poor. Hah!!

8)

lmao all you EVER do is cite long winded right wing BS.
like the 47% BS to disprove the Wisconsin tax raise that you knew NOTHING about, Not only were you wrong on the 47% but Wisconsin isn't federal
I'm bashing BOTH sides, so get your head out of the sand.

 

[GRIM]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/dec/06/alan-grayson/alan-grayson-says-more-walmart-employees-medicaid-/

here some more 'facts' need the definition?